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== Missing zettel verses from PHM Dresden 93r (23) ==
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[[File:MS_Dresd.C.93_093r.png|thumb|Page image]]
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=== German ===
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: Feler werer furet
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: von vnnden nach wunsch Ruret
  
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== 86v a ==
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=== English (Fritz) ===
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: Fehler misleads/leads the weapon,
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: from below it touches as it desires.
  
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===English (Garber) ===
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: deceit, whoever leads it and contacts from below according to desire
  
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=== Notes ===
  
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=== 86v a Latin ===
 
  
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'''De ictu erratico.'''
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== 86v a ==
  
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'''Hoc''' ictu maximé occaecantur et decipiuntur Athletae, eosque exoptatò[^1][^2] qui tueri se conantur, ferire poteris, tum etiam[^3] eos qui ensem ferire non corpus curant.
 
  
  
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[^1] this is "long for" (rendered as "greatly desire" here-- check dmlbs?). accent marks usually appear on adverbs-- what's that doing here?
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=== 86v a Latin ===
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# '''De ictu erratico.'''
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# '''Hoc''' ictu maximé occaecantur et decipiuntur Athletae,
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# eosque exoptatò[^1][^2] qui tueri se conantur,
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# ferire poteris,
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# tum etiam[^3] eos qui ensem ferire non corpus curant.
  
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[^2] [https://logeion.uchicago.edu/optare optare] participle -ato = adverb meaning "with desire, eagerly"
 
  
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[^3] tum seems to be acting as an intensifier here
 
  
 
=== 86v a English ===
 
=== 86v a English ===
  
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Of the wild strike.
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# Of the wild strike.
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Athletes are maximally blinded and deceived by this strike, and you will greatly desire those who endeavor to protect themselves, [because] you can strike, ALSO those who undertake to strike the sword, not the body
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# Athletes are maximally blinded and deceived by this strike,  
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# and you will greatly desire those who endeavor to protect themselves,  
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# [because] you can strike,  
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# ALSO those who undertake to strike the sword, not the body.
  
 
==== Alternate ending ====
 
==== Alternate ending ====
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[https://logeion.uchicago.edu/tueri tueri]
 
[https://logeion.uchicago.edu/tueri tueri]
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[^1] this is "long for" (rendered as "greatly desire" here-- check dmlbs?). accent marks usually appear on adverbs-- what's that doing here?
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[^2] [https://logeion.uchicago.edu/optare optare] participle -ato = adverb meaning "with desire, eagerly"
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[^3] tum seems to be acting as an intensifier here
  
 
== 86v b ==
 
== 86v b ==
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=== 86v b Latin ===
 
=== 86v b Latin ===
  
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'''Eum''' igitur hac ratione usurpato, si ad hostem propius accesseris, ictus inferos ex latere utroque exerceas, at si inferiori ictu ex latere dextro facto ei adpropinquaris, subito mucronem ex acie longa pectori hostis inijcito, et tunc necesse erit, ut impetum tuum removeat, verum inde celeriter sinistro pede in latus adversarij dextrum prosilias, simulatoque, quasi transversario latus praedictum quassare volveris, sed retracto, vel mutato ictu, mox versus latus sinistrum ferito, Vel si eum accesseris de latere sinistro transversarium formans, etiam tum mucronem ex acie longa contra pectus hostile impellas, eumque habitum exerceas ut proximé praescriptum est.
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# '''Eum''' igitur hac ratione usurpato,
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# si ad hostem propius accesseris,
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# ictus inferos ex latere utroque exerceas,
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# at si inferiori ictu ex latere dextro facto ei adpropinquaris,
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# subito mucronem ex acie longa pectori hostis inijcito,
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# et tunc necesse erit,
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# ut impetum tuum removeat,
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# verum inde celeriter sinistro pede in latus adversarij dextrum prosilias,
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# simulatoque,
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# quasi transversario latus praedictum quassare volveris,
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# sed retracto,
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# vel mutato ictu,
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# mox versus latus sinistrum ferito,
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# Vel si eum accesseris de latere sinistro transversarium formans,
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# etiam tum mucronem ex acie longa contra pectus hostile impellas,
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# eumque habitum exerceas ut proximé praescriptum est.
  
  
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=== 86v b English ===
 
=== 86v b English ===
  
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Therefore, make use of that [strike] by means of this method, if you approach closer to the enemy, you employ the strike from below on both sides. but if you draw near to him with the strike having been made from below from the right side, suddenly inject the point to the chest of the opponent from the long edge, and thereupon it will become necessary, in order that he shifts your forward attack, truly thence quickly leap forward with the left foot to the right side of the adversary, and pretend, as if you would want to batter the side, as was described before with the transverse, but withdrawn, or the thrust having been alter, soon strike toward the left side, Or if you come near to him from the left side forming the transverse, and also then you drive the sword from the long edge against the breast of the enemy, and employ this gesture from close in as described above.
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# Therefore, make use of that [strike] by means of this method,  
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# if you approach closer to the enemy,
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# you employ the strike from below on both sides.
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# but if you draw near to him with the strike having been made from below from the right side,
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# suddenly inject the point to the chest of the opponent from the long edge,
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# and thereupon it will become necessary,
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# in order that he shifts your forward attack,
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# truly thence quickly leap forward with the left foot to the right side of the adversary,
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# and pretend,
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# as if you would want to batter the side, as was described before with the transverse,
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# but drawn back,
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# or the thrust having been transformed,
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# soon strike toward the left side,
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# Or if you come near to him from the left side forming the transverse,
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# and also then you drive the sword from the long edge against the breast of the enemy,
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# and employ this skill from close in as described above.
  
 
=== 86v b notes ===
 
=== 86v b notes ===
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== 86v c ==
 
== 86v c ==
  
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=== 86v c Latin ===
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<!-- === 86v c Latin ===
  
 
'''De conversore''' et Transcursu.
 
'''De conversore''' et Transcursu.
  
 
'''Hoc''' habitu uteris in progressu versus hostem, nam eo ipso hostem coartabis, ut transcurrere possis, eumque superare.
 
'''Hoc''' habitu uteris in progressu versus hostem, nam eo ipso hostem coartabis, ut transcurrere possis, eumque superare.
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-->
 
=== 86v c Latin (Sandbox) ===
 
=== 86v c Latin (Sandbox) ===
  
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'''De conversore''' et Transcursu.
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# '''De conversore''' et Transcursu.
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# Hoc habitu uteris in progressu versus hostem,  
 
# Hoc habitu uteris in progressu versus hostem,  
 
# nam eo ipso hostem coartabis,
 
# nam eo ipso hostem coartabis,
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# eumque superare.
 
# eumque superare.
  
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<!-- === 86v c English ===
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=== 86v c English ===
 
  
 
'''About the turn over''' and running across
 
'''About the turn over''' and running across
  
 
'''This''' gesture being used in advancing against the enemy, for instance, you restrict the enemy with it, so that you could run across, and overcome him.
 
'''This''' gesture being used in advancing against the enemy, for instance, you restrict the enemy with it, so that you could run across, and overcome him.
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=== 86v c English (Sandbox) ===
 
=== 86v c English (Sandbox) ===
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# '''About the turn over''' and running across
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# This posture being used in advancing against the enemy,
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# for instance, you restrict the enemy with it,
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# You use this skill in the advance against the enemy,
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# so that you could run across,
 
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# and overcome him.
 
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# This posture being used in advancing against the enemy,
 
 
# for instance, you restrict the enemy with it,
 
# for instance, you restrict the enemy with it,
 
# so that you could run across,
 
# so that you could run across,
 
# and overcome him.
 
# and overcome him.
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=== 86v c notes ===
 
=== 86v c notes ===

Latest revision as of 03:17, 22 July 2022

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Missing zettel verses from PHM Dresden 93r (23)

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German

Feler werer furet
von vnnden nach wunsch Ruret

English (Fritz)

Fehler misleads/leads the weapon,
from below it touches as it desires.

English (Garber)

deceit, whoever leads it and contacts from below according to desire

Notes

86v a

86v a Latin

  1. De ictu erratico.
  2. Hoc ictu maximé occaecantur et decipiuntur Athletae,
  3. eosque exoptatò[^1][^2] qui tueri se conantur,
  4. ferire poteris,
  5. tum etiam[^3] eos qui ensem ferire non corpus curant.


86v a English

  1. Of the wild strike.
  2. Athletes are maximally blinded and deceived by this strike,
  3. and you will greatly desire those who endeavor to protect themselves,
  4. [because] you can strike,
  5. ALSO those who undertake to strike the sword, not the body.

Alternate ending

and you will be able to eagerly strike those who endeavor to protect themselves


86v a notes

our "undertake" is from "curant" Whitaker Logeion

tueri

[^1] this is "long for" (rendered as "greatly desire" here-- check dmlbs?). accent marks usually appear on adverbs-- what's that doing here?

[^2] optare participle -ato = adverb meaning "with desire, eagerly"

[^3] tum seems to be acting as an intensifier here

86v b

86v b Latin

  1. Eum igitur hac ratione usurpato,
  2. si ad hostem propius accesseris,
  3. ictus inferos ex latere utroque exerceas,
  4. at si inferiori ictu ex latere dextro facto ei adpropinquaris,
  5. subito mucronem ex acie longa pectori hostis inijcito,
  6. et tunc necesse erit,
  7. ut impetum tuum removeat,
  8. verum inde celeriter sinistro pede in latus adversarij dextrum prosilias,
  9. simulatoque,
  10. quasi transversario latus praedictum quassare volveris,
  11. sed retracto,
  12. vel mutato ictu,
  13. mox versus latus sinistrum ferito,
  14. Vel si eum accesseris de latere sinistro transversarium formans,
  15. etiam tum mucronem ex acie longa contra pectus hostile impellas,
  16. eumque habitum exerceas ut proximé praescriptum est.


86v b English

  1. Therefore, make use of that [strike] by means of this method,
  2. if you approach closer to the enemy,
  3. you employ the strike from below on both sides.
  4. but if you draw near to him with the strike having been made from below from the right side,
  5. suddenly inject the point to the chest of the opponent from the long edge,
  6. and thereupon it will become necessary,
  7. in order that he shifts your forward attack,
  8. truly thence quickly leap forward with the left foot to the right side of the adversary,
  9. and pretend,
  10. as if you would want to batter the side, as was described before with the transverse,
  11. but drawn back,
  12. or the thrust having been transformed,
  13. soon strike toward the left side,
  14. Or if you come near to him from the left side forming the transverse,
  15. and also then you drive the sword from the long edge against the breast of the enemy,
  16. and employ this skill from close in as described above.

86v b notes

two separate actions, also in German

leap is from prosilias

86v c

86v c Latin (Sandbox)

  1. De conversore et Transcursu.
  2. Hoc habitu uteris in progressu versus hostem,
  3. nam eo ipso hostem coartabis,
  4. ut transcurrere possis,
  5. eumque superare.

86v c English (Sandbox)

  1. About the turn over and running across
  2. You use this skill in the advance against the enemy,
  3. for instance, you restrict the enemy with it,
  4. so that you could run across,
  5. and overcome him.

86v c notes

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