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== Latin verse from P-D and English prose from Getty==
 
== Latin verse from P-D and English prose from Getty==
  
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After taking away your dagger, to signify my victory<br/>
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I hold it in my raised hand in this manner.
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Why do I carry a dagger in my right hand? I carry it for my art, because I have deserved it well, because if anyone who attacks me with a dagger, I take it from their hand. And with that, I know well how to strike, because I know all the good [?] counters to finish.
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Because I carry the dagger in my right hand I carry it for my art that she has well deserved, that anyone that draws a dagger to me, I will take it from his hand, and with that I know well to injure, because of the pros and cons of all endings.
 
 
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Because I triumph over those who fight with me,<br/>
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I carry torn-off broken arms as a decoration.
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With the broken arms that I carry, I want to say that my art (without wanting to lie) has broken and dislocated many in my life, and whoever wants to set himself against the art I want to make, I am always ready to want to use such art.
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For his broken arms that I carry, I want to say my art, because this is without wanting to lie, that I have not broken and dislocated in my life, and he who will put himself against my art I want to make, such art always I am ready to want to use.
 
 
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Locking the arms of all opponents<br/>
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In such a way that none can safely extend their right hand,<br/>
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I am the master of opening and also of closing (that is, [enclosing] the arms of those who want to go against me). I will put them in great contention and suffering by means of the binds and breaks that are depicted. And thus, I carry a key to show that this art is well worthy of me.
To show my success I carry a pair of keys in my hand.
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I am the Master of Opening, and also of Holding namely the arms of those who want to fight against me. I want to put him in large trouble and suffering in the ways that the binds and breaks are drawn. And because I carry the key for a standard that such art is very worthy to me.
 
 
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You ask how I force others to the ground under my feet with such prowess,&emsp;<br/>
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I tell you that because I grapple each man and throw him down;<br/>
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You were asking me why I detain this man under my feet? Because I have positioned thousands in such a resolution through the art of wrestling. And in victory, I carry the palm in my right hand, because I will never cease in my wrestling.
The victory palm is appropriately held in my right hand.
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They ask me, why I hold this man under my feet, because I have no better place with such a finish with the art of wrestling. And for Victory I carry the Palm in the right hand because with wrestling he knows he will never remain.
 
 
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===Florius===
 
===Florius===
 
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<poem>For instance, I signify as safe, using the palm, thus I carry off the dagger  
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<poem>For instance, I signify as safe, using the palm, thus I carry off the dagger.
When everything has been carried, I lift that same thing with my hand.
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Everything having been carried off in victory, I lift that same [dagger] with my hand.
  
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When I conquer all the ones who can be warlike,
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I, the Distinguished One, carry with me the broken hands in front [of me] by the arms.
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I secure the confined arms from all warlike people in the region.
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In this way they are unable to extend the right hand /
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Now I thus joyfully collect pairs of keys in [my] hands
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You ask why I, with glory, destroy such excellent ones under my feet.
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because I assert I knock down all men by wrestling
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Indeed the palm in our right hand is extended to stop [them].
 
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For instance I sign the safe palm, thus I bring home the dagger.
 
For instance I sign the safe palm, thus I bring home the dagger.
When everything has been carried, I lift that same thing with my hand.
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Everything having been carried off in victory, I lift that same [dagger] with my hand.
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When I overcome all the ones who can be warlike,
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By Pollux, I carry arms decorated with broken hands with me
  
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I secure the confined arms from all warlike people in the region.
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In this way they are unable to extend the right hand /
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Thus, I currently [and] joyfully collect pairs of keys in [my] hands
  
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You ask why I, with glory, destroy such excellent ones under my feet.
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because I assert I knock down all men by wrestling
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Indeed our palm is extended to stop [their] right hand.
 
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==Notes==
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===Verse 2===
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* "ornatis lacertis" (something like "decorated with arms/shoulders") seems like it might mean something like modern slang "with guns out" (in the arm muscles sense)
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* "pol" in Latin is an abbreviated phrase for "by Pollux!" - note similarity to pollex, meaning thumb.
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===Verse 3===
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* letus (lioness) could be an alternate spelling of laetus (happy)
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* clavus = nail, clavis = key, clavas = rough club/tree branch/cudgel
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* conclavans = nailed together, having keys, with stripes of rank
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* clavatas/conclavatas = studded/hobnailed/decorated with nails
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* conclaudas is a reasonable reading of this abbreviation and matches the Italian better.
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* orbe = territory or bereft
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* Janus or Mercury might carry a clavis, Hercules carries a clavas
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Latest revision as of 18:28, 21 October 2024

Latin 21r

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Nam palma tutam signo sic defero dagam.
Cum manibus tollam cunctis gestantibus ipsam.

Cum cunctos superem qui possunt bellica mecum
Pro manibus fractis ornatus porto lacertis.

Brachia conclaudas cunctis bellantibus orbe
Taliter ut dextram nequeant praetendere tutam /
Nunc letus claves manibus sic congero binas.

Queris cur pedibus pessundo gloria tales
Cur luctando viros dico prosternere cuntos
Palma quidem nostra praetenditur sistere dextra.

Latin verse from P-D and English prose from Getty

Why do I carry a dagger in my right hand? I carry it for my art, because I have deserved it well, because if anyone who attacks me with a dagger, I take it from their hand. And with that, I know well how to strike, because I know all the good [?] counters to finish.

With the broken arms that I carry, I want to say that my art (without wanting to lie) has broken and dislocated many in my life, and whoever wants to set himself against the art I want to make, I am always ready to want to use such art.

I am the master of opening and also of closing (that is, [enclosing] the arms of those who want to go against me). I will put them in great contention and suffering by means of the binds and breaks that are depicted. And thus, I carry a key to show that this art is well worthy of me.

You were asking me why I detain this man under my feet? Because I have positioned thousands in such a resolution through the art of wrestling. And in victory, I carry the palm in my right hand, because I will never cease in my wrestling.

English 21r

Florius

For instance, I signify as safe, using the palm, thus I carry off the dagger.
Everything having been carried off in victory, I lift that same [dagger] with my hand.

When I conquer all the ones who can be warlike,
I, the Distinguished One, carry with me the broken hands in front [of me] by the arms.

I secure the confined arms from all warlike people in the region.
In this way they are unable to extend the right hand /
Now I thus joyfully collect pairs of keys in [my] hands

You ask why I, with glory, destroy such excellent ones under my feet.
because I assert I knock down all men by wrestling
Indeed the palm in our right hand is extended to stop [them].



Pisani-Dossi

For instance I sign the safe palm, thus I bring home the dagger.
Everything having been carried off in victory, I lift that same [dagger] with my hand.

When I overcome all the ones who can be warlike,
By Pollux, I carry arms decorated with broken hands with me

I secure the confined arms from all warlike people in the region.
In this way they are unable to extend the right hand /
Thus, I currently [and] joyfully collect pairs of keys in [my] hands

You ask why I, with glory, destroy such excellent ones under my feet.
because I assert I knock down all men by wrestling
Indeed our palm is extended to stop [their] right hand.

Notes

Verse 2

  • "ornatis lacertis" (something like "decorated with arms/shoulders") seems like it might mean something like modern slang "with guns out" (in the arm muscles sense)
  • "pol" in Latin is an abbreviated phrase for "by Pollux!" - note similarity to pollex, meaning thumb.

Verse 3

  • letus (lioness) could be an alternate spelling of laetus (happy)
  • clavus = nail, clavis = key, clavas = rough club/tree branch/cudgel
  • conclavans = nailed together, having keys, with stripes of rank
  • clavatas/conclavatas = studded/hobnailed/decorated with nails
  • conclaudas is a reasonable reading of this abbreviation and matches the Italian better.
  • orbe = territory or bereft
  • Janus or Mercury might carry a clavis, Hercules carries a clavas

Images

MS Latin 11269 21r banners.png Pisani-Dossi MS 06a banners.png
MS Latin 11269 21r.jpg Pisani-Dossi MS 06a top 4.png