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'''Of Battling and Fighting in Armour on Foot, Shortly Described''' | '''Of Battling and Fighting in Armour on Foot, Shortly Described''' | ||
| − | Because fighting is of various kinds | + | Because fighting is of various kinds, thus one can also give no fixed rule, then anyone who has been offered a fight had this advantage: that he can devise what he knows is in his service, be it with rare weapons or along with cunning, nimble advantage. Therefore, the one who is offered the fight gives the weapon and he may choose as he wants. |
| − | For example | + | For example, should two fight with each other and the one has a weapon on the left and the other on the right<ref>I believe Meyer is referring to handedness, here</ref>. Now the Right goes to offer the Left. So this lets the Left choose the weapon in this way. Namely, two sharp rapiers and two sharp daggers. After that, two right arm scissors<ref>''ararmschirleinn''</ref> - namely on the right arm because he is left[-handed] - and a sharp spike pointed inside at the bend of each arm, such that when one bends the same arm a little, he stabs himself. |
| − | If they now come to the agreed place and | + | If they now come to the agreed place and permit the weapons, so each puts on his right arm rail<ref>''Armschiene'' - seemingly a part of the armour</ref> on his right arm to which arm they were assigned<ref>''geordinirtt''</ref>. When they should now step into the fight then they can’t defend the right. As soon as one bends his arm, he will stab himself |
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| − | therefore his left arm is bare/open | + | therefore his left arm is bare/open, in which he prepares to use the dagger to stab. However, the Left holds his right arm with the dagger for displacing and defends himself with the left hand. Thus, the Right would be more damaged from him than from the point/front<ref>''findt''</ref>. |
| − | From this example it is easy to | + | From this example it is easy to note that the one who has the best advantage is the one who always chooses or gives the weapon. |
| − | This, therefore, have I said | + | This, therefore, have I said so that everyone who wants to offer someone else a fight should be mindful of such a trick, and doesn't rashly show himself, but offer themselves graciously as such a thing may also happen in a calm manner, for both of them to fight in armour or to fight naked or with drawn weapons. But what concerns the fencing or battling with a bare body and what is advantageous and how they are to be used has been taught up to now in Rapier and other weapons and sufficiently understood now. I want to speak of only the advantage in armoured fighting such as you need it. Note that, generally, three weapons are used in armour: a spear<ref name="spis">spis</ref> and a sword<ref name="schwertt">schwertt</ref> also a dagger<ref name="dolchen">dolchen</ref>, or a dagger and a sabre<ref name="sebell">sebell</ref> belted around and a sword. |
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| − | The first order of defence is to fight in armour. Namely, a spear and a sword / and a combat sword<ref>can mean either “combat sword” or “combat dagger” (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Degen#German, https://fwb-online.de/lemma/degen.h2.0m?q=degen&page=1) - see https://www.nga.gov/collection/art-object-page.216135.html for a painting with kempffdegen in its caption</ref> or a dagger | + | The first order of defence is to fight in armour. Namely, a spear and a sword / and a combat sword<ref name="kempffdegen">''kempff degen'' - it can mean either “combat sword” or “combat dagger” (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Degen#German, https://fwb-online.de/lemma/degen.h2.0m?q=degen&page=1) - see https://www.nga.gov/collection/art-object-page.216135.html for a painting with kempffdegen in its caption</ref> or a dagger, or also a shield so when attacking you used the shield and spear and have worked with the spear. If someone misses the other between the legs and avoided, or have thrusted with the spear and followed after the guard - because thrusting with the spear was in great use in the olden days - afterwards when they thrusted with the spear, they grabbed the sword and further the dagger or combat sword. |
| − | But I want to take the other order for myself to explain, from which one will reasonably<ref>''zimlich''</ref> learn how it is to fight on foot | + | But I want to take the other order for myself to explain, from which one will reasonably<ref>''zimlich''</ref> learn how it is to fight on foot, and I also want to take three advantageous, artificial weapons for myself: firstly, a sword which above the pommel should have four tacks next to the fifth at the top. It shouldn’t be long, rather short, so that it can cause harm <ref>alt. ''endure''</ref> in an emergency. Further, the cross should be like a mason’s hammer, the point and blade angular. And that should all be cast from solid iron and the point should be steeled. |
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| − | It should also be made finely supple | + | It should also be made finely supple so that one may fully choose the length. Another idea would please/would be wanting<ref>''noch eines Idenn woll gefalen''</ref>. |
| − | Likewise, the sabre should be strong. A good edge but not too heavy. The dagger should be triple | + | Likewise, the sabre should be strong. A good edge but not too heavy. The dagger should be triple, such that three blades are intertwined as if one stuck three larding needles in each other, and the arms/backs<ref>''Reren''</ref> close on each other and be bound with springs so that if you push with one, a point would come free [and remain inside]. Then one would need it when one comes between a joint, thus one separates it, which gives a wide gap so when he presses the same first dagger, then the other point is smaller and skinnier, so he stabs the previous hole, which then wants to go deeper than the first so that he notices that he has gone into the body. He releases<ref>''lest''</ref> the spring and lets him have the sharp point strongly, which he can’t soon pull out. The dagger is used when you have thrown him. |
| − | Likewise, if it pleases | + | Likewise, if it pleases, he can want to make the daggers fourfold, but it should be made so that the springs are not noticeable if you bring the weapon in the lists<ref>''Schranckenn''</ref>. The opponent may not do the same. However, one should make himself used to it, then the one who gives the weapon can practise it at his pleasure and particularly look for an advantage in it which the other cannot soon see or notice in the lists |
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| − | and | + | and even if the springs in the dagger are already shown, they are still made advantageous to you, that he can’t soon soon grip you you should first of all have good respect / whether your opponent wants to nimbly rush over you with strength or wrestle you with force / so you should do happily that he doesn’t rush over you with a Thunderbolt / and let him forward above<ref>''vnnd las Inn vorver ¬thobenn'' - messy ink makes it difficult to transcribe; possible alt. "and read above beforehand"</ref> / and note when he hits you that you displace it between both your hands / and see if you can attack. |
On the other hand, be careful that you are not attacked / but if you are attacked on your left thusly step with your left back or put your pommel on your breast and reach<ref>''erlang''</ref> the point / and attack him also / and drive him from you / likewise if he fights wide around you / so travel after<ref name="nachreissen">see '''nachreissen'''</ref> him with the point to an opening / note the openings are these / if you should stand or attack / the visor / and under the armpit the knuckles in the hands just like between the legs / outside to the glove inwards / and where the armour has folded / note that you don’t attack to another opening / thus you may have a nearer opening / at last loosen your fingers, namely where someone grabs you / see that you can free a finger / | On the other hand, be careful that you are not attacked / but if you are attacked on your left thusly step with your left back or put your pommel on your breast and reach<ref>''erlang''</ref> the point / and attack him also / and drive him from you / likewise if he fights wide around you / so travel after<ref name="nachreissen">see '''nachreissen'''</ref> him with the point to an opening / note the openings are these / if you should stand or attack / the visor / and under the armpit the knuckles in the hands just like between the legs / outside to the glove inwards / and where the armour has folded / note that you don’t attack to another opening / thus you may have a nearer opening / at last loosen your fingers, namely where someone grabs you / see that you can free a finger / | ||
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| − | then break<ref>''brich''</ref> over yourself / likewise break on<ref>''anbrichen''</ref> / shove genitals / break leg or shove knee. First I want to go through the armour fencing examples wisely / then use the advantage of the declared weapons. In the approach take your sword in the Oberhut with both of [your hands] next to your head / and grip your blade with your left hand in the middle / so that the point stands in the man’s face / step thusly in / so that your left foot stands in front at all times, be not too high<ref>''goch''</ref> / and see if you can reach his frontmost foot / so do ''als weltest''<ref name="unknown" /> stand in to the face / immediately let go of the haft with your right hand / and come with the left hand to help and hit him with the pommel / to the head / or do his left arm / he parries your hit between both his hands / so let it drive around your head / and hit from your right / to his knee bone or ankle. Likewise go in the Oberhut as before / and pay attention to if he wants to attack or stand / so set off<ref name="absetzen">see '''absetzen'''</ref> in front your left hand / he then hits you from above / so offset the blow / between both your hands stab immediately outside over his arm / and attack him thrice<ref>''drissel'', alt. "attack the throat"</ref> / as soon as you find | + | then break<ref>''brich''</ref> over yourself / likewise break on<ref>''anbrichen''</ref> / shove genitals / break leg or shove knee. First I want to go through the armour fencing examples wisely / then use the advantage of the declared weapons. In the approach take your sword in the Oberhut with both of [your hands] next to your head / and grip your blade with your left hand in the middle / so that the point stands in the man’s face / step thusly in / so that your left foot stands in front at all times, be not too high<ref>''goch''</ref> / and see if you can reach his frontmost foot / so do ''als weltest''<ref name="unknown">unknown</ref> stand in to the face / immediately let go of the haft with your right hand / and come with the left hand to help and hit him with the pommel / to the head / or do his left arm / he parries your hit between both his hands / so let it drive around your head / and hit from your right / to his knee bone or ankle. Likewise go in the Oberhut as before / and pay attention to if he wants to attack or stand / so set off<ref name="absetzen">see '''absetzen'''</ref> in front your left hand / he then hits you from above / so offset the blow / between both your hands stab immediately outside over his arm / and attack him thrice<ref>''drissel'', alt. "attack the throat"</ref> / as soon as you find |
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Revision as of 16:56, 10 February 2023
Of Battling and Fighting in Armour on Foot, Shortly Described
Because fighting is of various kinds, thus one can also give no fixed rule, then anyone who has been offered a fight had this advantage: that he can devise what he knows is in his service, be it with rare weapons or along with cunning, nimble advantage. Therefore, the one who is offered the fight gives the weapon and he may choose as he wants.
For example, should two fight with each other and the one has a weapon on the left and the other on the right[1]. Now the Right goes to offer the Left. So this lets the Left choose the weapon in this way. Namely, two sharp rapiers and two sharp daggers. After that, two right arm scissors[2] - namely on the right arm because he is left[-handed] - and a sharp spike pointed inside at the bend of each arm, such that when one bends the same arm a little, he stabs himself.
If they now come to the agreed place and permit the weapons, so each puts on his right arm rail[3] on his right arm to which arm they were assigned[4]. When they should now step into the fight then they can’t defend the right. As soon as one bends his arm, he will stab himself
therefore his left arm is bare/open, in which he prepares to use the dagger to stab. However, the Left holds his right arm with the dagger for displacing and defends himself with the left hand. Thus, the Right would be more damaged from him than from the point/front[5].
From this example it is easy to note that the one who has the best advantage is the one who always chooses or gives the weapon.
This, therefore, have I said so that everyone who wants to offer someone else a fight should be mindful of such a trick, and doesn't rashly show himself, but offer themselves graciously as such a thing may also happen in a calm manner, for both of them to fight in armour or to fight naked or with drawn weapons. But what concerns the fencing or battling with a bare body and what is advantageous and how they are to be used has been taught up to now in Rapier and other weapons and sufficiently understood now. I want to speak of only the advantage in armoured fighting such as you need it. Note that, generally, three weapons are used in armour: a spear[6] and a sword[7] also a dagger[8], or a dagger and a sabre[9] belted around and a sword.
The first order of defence is to fight in armour. Namely, a spear and a sword / and a combat sword[10] or a dagger, or also a shield so when attacking you used the shield and spear and have worked with the spear. If someone misses the other between the legs and avoided, or have thrusted with the spear and followed after the guard - because thrusting with the spear was in great use in the olden days - afterwards when they thrusted with the spear, they grabbed the sword and further the dagger or combat sword.
But I want to take the other order for myself to explain, from which one will reasonably[11] learn how it is to fight on foot, and I also want to take three advantageous, artificial weapons for myself: firstly, a sword which above the pommel should have four tacks next to the fifth at the top. It shouldn’t be long, rather short, so that it can cause harm [12] in an emergency. Further, the cross should be like a mason’s hammer, the point and blade angular. And that should all be cast from solid iron and the point should be steeled.
It should also be made finely supple so that one may fully choose the length. Another idea would please/would be wanting[13].
Likewise, the sabre should be strong. A good edge but not too heavy. The dagger should be triple, such that three blades are intertwined as if one stuck three larding needles in each other, and the arms/backs[14] close on each other and be bound with springs so that if you push with one, a point would come free [and remain inside]. Then one would need it when one comes between a joint, thus one separates it, which gives a wide gap so when he presses the same first dagger, then the other point is smaller and skinnier, so he stabs the previous hole, which then wants to go deeper than the first so that he notices that he has gone into the body. He releases[15] the spring and lets him have the sharp point strongly, which he can’t soon pull out. The dagger is used when you have thrown him.
Likewise, if it pleases, he can want to make the daggers fourfold, but it should be made so that the springs are not noticeable if you bring the weapon in the lists[16]. The opponent may not do the same. However, one should make himself used to it, then the one who gives the weapon can practise it at his pleasure and particularly look for an advantage in it which the other cannot soon see or notice in the lists
and even if the springs in the dagger are already shown, they are still made advantageous to you, that he can’t soon soon grip you you should first of all have good respect / whether your opponent wants to nimbly rush over you with strength or wrestle you with force / so you should do happily that he doesn’t rush over you with a Thunderbolt / and let him forward above[17] / and note when he hits you that you displace it between both your hands / and see if you can attack.
On the other hand, be careful that you are not attacked / but if you are attacked on your left thusly step with your left back or put your pommel on your breast and reach[18] the point / and attack him also / and drive him from you / likewise if he fights wide around you / so travel after[19] him with the point to an opening / note the openings are these / if you should stand or attack / the visor / and under the armpit the knuckles in the hands just like between the legs / outside to the glove inwards / and where the armour has folded / note that you don’t attack to another opening / thus you may have a nearer opening / at last loosen your fingers, namely where someone grabs you / see that you can free a finger /
then break[20] over yourself / likewise break on[21] / shove genitals / break leg or shove knee. First I want to go through the armour fencing examples wisely / then use the advantage of the declared weapons. In the approach take your sword in the Oberhut with both of [your hands] next to your head / and grip your blade with your left hand in the middle / so that the point stands in the man’s face / step thusly in / so that your left foot stands in front at all times, be not too high[22] / and see if you can reach his frontmost foot / so do als weltest[23] stand in to the face / immediately let go of the haft with your right hand / and come with the left hand to help and hit him with the pommel / to the head / or do his left arm / he parries your hit between both his hands / so let it drive around your head / and hit from your right / to his knee bone or ankle. Likewise go in the Oberhut as before / and pay attention to if he wants to attack or stand / so set off[24] in front your left hand / he then hits you from above / so offset the blow / between both your hands stab immediately outside over his arm / and attack him thrice[25] / as soon as you find
that your point sticks [in place, in the armour] thus hit your both under your right shoulder and don’t let him get away / rather force him to you / Likewise go into the Oberhut / stab in his visor so attack him / in his left shoulder[26] force him towards you / pay attention as soon as he wants to free himself that you rush after into his weight with wrestling[27] / throwing / or shoving / in the front on his visor / note if you have attacked someone don’t let him come away / then he can’t work[28] / The other guard hold your sword with the grip besides your right hip / grasp the blade with the left hand in the middle / so that your point stands against the man / the left foot at all times forward / approach / if he stabs displace from the hand / if he strikes then receive the stroke between both your hands in the blades immediately watch out when he strikes / and step with your right / thus displace as you learnt / and drive with the pommel into his knee bend / he will then want to pull his foot so attack him under his right armpit or where you can / and drive him from you.
Or drive with the pommel on his neck and step with the right behind his leg and throw him.
Further, displace his strike out of the guard and drive up with the hilt / and thrust at the throat or to the openings by the
joints. Likewise, set the thrust off / and you do the same / and as you have so often attacked him / thusly strike your pommel under the armpit so you secure your advantage / Attacks are four, one in the face / to the throat. Likewise on the left armpit or under the right shoulder.
And note when you attack on your left / come with your left foot forward, place it under the right shoulder / thus step forward with the right / further, when you have attacked you should always drive[29] over yourself / thus if he is shorter than you / sink your hilt under yourself until to the hips / and drive[29] [TO BE COMPLETED]
- ↑ I believe Meyer is referring to handedness, here
- ↑ ararmschirleinn
- ↑ Armschiene - seemingly a part of the armour
- ↑ geordinirtt
- ↑ findt
- ↑ spis
- ↑ schwertt
- ↑ dolchen
- ↑ sebell
- ↑ kempff degen - it can mean either “combat sword” or “combat dagger” (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Degen#German, https://fwb-online.de/lemma/degen.h2.0m?q=degen&page=1) - see https://www.nga.gov/collection/art-object-page.216135.html for a painting with kempffdegen in its caption
- ↑ zimlich
- ↑ alt. endure
- ↑ noch eines Idenn woll gefalen
- ↑ Reren
- ↑ lest
- ↑ Schranckenn
- ↑ vnnd las Inn vorver ¬thobenn - messy ink makes it difficult to transcribe; possible alt. "and read above beforehand"
- ↑ erlang
- ↑ see nachreissen
- ↑ brich
- ↑ anbrichen
- ↑ goch
- ↑ unknown
- ↑ see absetzen
- ↑ drissel, alt. "attack the throat"
- ↑ Achsell, refers to shoulder/armpit
- ↑ see ringen
- ↑ see arbeiten
- ↑ 29.0 29.1 thringen
