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| ascribed to           = {{plainlist | [[Martin Syber]] | [[Hans Talhoffer]] }}
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| date                 = mid 1400s (?)
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| manuscript(s)         = {{plainlist | [[Talhoffer Fechtbuch (MS Thott.290.2º)|MS Thott.290.2º]] (1459) | [[Codex Speyer (MS M.I.29)|MS M.I.29]] (1491) }}
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| wiktenauer compilation by= [[Michael Chidester]]
 
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| genre                 = [[Fencing manual]]
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| translations         = {{plainlist | {{German translation|http://talhoffer.wordpress.com/2011/06/04/hans-talhoffers-fencing-poem-transcription-and-translation-from-thott-290-2%C2%B0/|1}} | {{German translation|http://talhoffer.wordpress.com/2011/06/02/transcription-and-translation-of-the-verses-in-the-fechtbuch-mi29-on-page-3r/|1}} }}
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This '''anonymous poem''', titled only ''Fechtlere'' ("Fencing Lore"), appears in fragmentary form in both [[Hans Talhoffer]]'s personal fencing manual of 1459<ref>[[Hans Talhoffer|Talhoffer, Hans]]. Untitled [manuscript]. [[Talhoffer Fechtbuch (MS Thott.290.2º)|MS Thott.290.2º]]. Copenhagen, Denmark: [[Det Kongelige Bibliotek]], 1459.</ref> and [[Hans von Speyer]]'s 1491 anthology.<ref>[[Johannes Liechtenauer|Liechtenauer, Johannes]], et al. Untitled [manuscript]. [[Codex Speyer (MS M.I.29)|MS M.I.29]]. Comp. [[Hans von Speyer]]. Salzburg, Austria: [[Universitätsbibliothek Salzburg]], 1491.</ref> It shares concepts and terminology with the writings of [[Martin Syber]] and follows his ''New Zettel'' ("New Epitome") in Speyer's work,<ref name="Hull">[[Jeffrey Hull|Hull, Jeffrey]]. [http://www.thearma.org/Manuals/Mertin_Siber/MS-Web.htm "Mertin Siber’s Longsword Fight-Lore of 1491 AD: a thesis on the ''Fechtlehre'' from Handschrift M I 29 (''Codex Speyer'') at the University of Salzburg in Austria"]. The [[Association for Renaissance Martial Arts]], 2005. Retrieved 30 November 2010.</ref> but is absent from other presentations of his treatise. Its presence in Talhoffer's writings over thirty years earlier would also suggest that Syber is not the original author (or potentially that his career was much earlier than currently thought).
 
This '''anonymous poem''', titled only ''Fechtlere'' ("Fencing Lore"), appears in fragmentary form in both [[Hans Talhoffer]]'s personal fencing manual of 1459<ref>[[Hans Talhoffer|Talhoffer, Hans]]. Untitled [manuscript]. [[Talhoffer Fechtbuch (MS Thott.290.2º)|MS Thott.290.2º]]. Copenhagen, Denmark: [[Det Kongelige Bibliotek]], 1459.</ref> and [[Hans von Speyer]]'s 1491 anthology.<ref>[[Johannes Liechtenauer|Liechtenauer, Johannes]], et al. Untitled [manuscript]. [[Codex Speyer (MS M.I.29)|MS M.I.29]]. Comp. [[Hans von Speyer]]. Salzburg, Austria: [[Universitätsbibliothek Salzburg]], 1491.</ref> It shares concepts and terminology with the writings of [[Martin Syber]] and follows his ''New Zettel'' ("New Epitome") in Speyer's work,<ref name="Hull">[[Jeffrey Hull|Hull, Jeffrey]]. [http://www.thearma.org/Manuals/Mertin_Siber/MS-Web.htm "Mertin Siber’s Longsword Fight-Lore of 1491 AD: a thesis on the ''Fechtlehre'' from Handschrift M I 29 (''Codex Speyer'') at the University of Salzburg in Austria"]. The [[Association for Renaissance Martial Arts]], 2005. Retrieved 30 November 2010.</ref> but is absent from other presentations of his treatise. Its presence in Talhoffer's writings over thirty years earlier would also suggest that Syber is not the original author (or potentially that his career was much earlier than currently thought).
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<small>[45]</small></poem>
 
<small>[45]</small></poem>
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| <poem>High-hew is for the thrust
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<poem>High-hew is for the thrust
 
 
Low-hew breaks straight
 
Low-hew breaks straight
 
Middle-hew in the wide<ref>open space</ref>
 
Middle-hew in the wide<ref>open space</ref>
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Whenever one wishes to bind-upon
 
Whenever one wishes to bind-upon
 
Then wind the short edge into it.</poem>
 
Then wind the short edge into it.</poem>
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<poem>'''[1r]''' Zorn ort Der brust zu bort
 
<poem>'''[1r]''' Zorn ort Der brust zu bort
 
zu baiden siten vber schiessen
 
zu baiden siten vber schiessen
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wa[s] ma[n] [<del>Dir</del>] anbind[en] will [Dir]
 
wa[s] ma[n] [<del>Dir</del>] anbind[en] will [Dir]
 
So wind die kurtz schnid für</poem>
 
So wind die kurtz schnid für</poem>
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<poem class="red">Ober haülb ist für stich
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<p>'''[3r]''' {{red|Ober haülb ist für stich<br/>
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Vnter haulb schlecht bricht
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Vnter haulb schlecht bricht<br/>
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Mittel haulb in die weÿtte
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Mittel haulb in die weÿtte<br/>
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Nü lüg was dz bedüte
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Nü lüg was dz bedüte<br/>
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Im wechsell haülb süch die geüche
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Im wechsell haülb süch die geüche<br/>
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Noch der versatzüng spee
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Noch der versatzüng spee<br/>
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Stürtz haülb dar in dü winde~
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Stürtz haülb dar in dü winde~<br/>
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Wiltü Im dz antlütz ploß finden
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Wiltü Im dz antlütz ploß finden<br/>
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So aüß dem scheittler
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So aüß dem scheittler<br/>
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Schlag die kurtz schnid dar
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Schlag die kurtz schnid dar<br/>
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Im vnter stürtz haülb verkere
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Im vnter stürtz haülb verkere<br/>
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Dar In sich vnd lere
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Dar In sich vnd lere<br/>
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Im ÿssen ort nÿm war
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Im ÿssen ort nÿm war<br/>
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Mit dem ort vff far
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Mit dem ort vff far<br/>
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Bringst auch moll Ins einhorn dar
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Bringst auch moll Ins einhorn dar<br/>
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'''''Din rosen Im redlin'''''
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'''''Din rosen Im redlin'''''<br/>
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'''''Zück die treffen gen gute~ sin'''''
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'''''Zück die treffen gen gute~ sin'''''<br/>
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Schilt haulb mit trifft
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Schilt haulb mit trifft<br/>
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Flÿgell oren gift
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Flÿgell oren gift<br/>
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Wecker will ston
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Wecker will ston<br/>
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Triben strichen wil gañ
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Triben strichen wil gañ<br/>
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E komen noch reissen ist der sytt
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E komen noch reissen ist der sytt<br/>
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Schnellen vberlouff vnd die schnidtt
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Schnellen vberlouff vnd die schnidtt<br/>
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Daß ist ein gemeÿne lere
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Daß ist ein gemeÿne lere<br/>
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Dar an dich kere
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Dar an dich kere<br/>
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Daß thüntt wÿssen
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Daß thüntt wÿssen<br/>
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Dÿ künst kündent prÿssen</poem>
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Dÿ künst kündent prÿssen}}</p
  
 
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Revision as of 03:14, 15 August 2014

Anonymous 15th century poem
Author(s) Unknown
Ascribed to
Date mid 1400s (?)
Genre Fencing manual
Language Early New High German
Archetype(s) Hypothetical
Manuscript(s)
First Printed
English Edition 		Hull, 2008
Concordance by Michael Chidester
Translations

This anonymous poem, titled only Fechtlere ("Fencing Lore"), appears in fragmentary form in both Hans Talhoffer's personal fencing manual of 1459[1] and Hans von Speyer's 1491 anthology.[2] It shares concepts and terminology with the writings of Martin Syber and follows his New Zettel ("New Epitome") in Speyer's work,[3] but is absent from other presentations of his treatise. Its presence in Talhoffer's writings over thirty years earlier would also suggest that Syber is not the original author (or potentially that his career was much earlier than currently thought).

Treatise

The couplet in bold text appears out of sequence between the two versions. Its proper location cannot be determined from available information.

Additional Resources

  • Hull, Jeffrey. "The Longsword Fight Lore of Mertin Siber." Masters of Medieval and Renaissance Martial Arts. Ed. Jeffrey Hull. Boulder, CO: Paladin Press, 2008. ISBN 978-1-58160-668-3

References

  1. ↑ Talhoffer, Hans. Untitled [manuscript]. MS Thott.290.2º. Copenhagen, Denmark: Det Kongelige Bibliotek, 1459.
  2. ↑ Liechtenauer, Johannes, et al. Untitled [manuscript]. MS M.I.29. Comp. Hans von Speyer. Salzburg, Austria: Universitätsbibliothek Salzburg, 1491.
  3. ↑ Hull, Jeffrey. "Mertin Siber’s Longsword Fight-Lore of 1491 AD: a thesis on the Fechtlehre from Handschrift M I 29 (Codex Speyer) at the University of Salzburg in Austria". The Association for Renaissance Martial Arts, 2005. Retrieved 30 November 2010.
  4. ↑ open space
  5. ↑ possibly watch
  6. ↑ usually ‘pfort’: port
  7. ↑ darbringen
  8. ↑ trifft is 3rd person indicative: ‘he hits’. ‘with’ in this case is likely temporal. ie: ‘Squint-hew when he(or it) hits’
  9. ↑ maw
  10. ↑ retreat, flee, escape, withdraw, make space
  11. ↑ Do not be serious, as in “jocamen, schimf oder scherz, vergnügen, spiel”
  12. ↑ in weiterer freierer anwendung. a) durch zerren, ziehen in schnelle bewegung versetzen.
  13. ↑ also trap, snare
  14. ↑ Turn away, twist, steal away
  15. ↑ lit. turn
  16. ↑ chases
  17. ↑ also simple
  18. ↑ lit. ‘or’
Early Germanic Traditions
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