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<poem>[2] The first advice is also good /  
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:whoever fences easily
 
:whoever fences easily
 
wittily and without all wrath /  
 
wittily and without all wrath /  
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:and I will tell you now
 
:and I will tell you now
 
No man should be too stupid /  
 
No man should be too stupid /  
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:has to stand against four or six
 
:has to stand against four or six
  
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<poem>[5] So all hear /  
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:everyone without fear
 
:everyone without fear
 
Fridank the wise man /  
 
Fridank the wise man /  
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<poem>I will give you the third advice /  
 
:you should not learn fencing
 
:you should not learn fencing
 
To overpower someone with your art /  
 
To overpower someone with your art /  
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:to be seriously practiced
 
:to be seriously practiced
 
And in good real grace /  
 
And in good real grace /  
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| [8] Here learn and know, that I will not mention many of these master fencing techniques because you can find them before and completely in Liechtenauers art and fencing, according to real art. However for the sake of practice and school fencing I will briefly and simply describe some techniques and methods of their fencing.
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| <p>[2] Here learn and know, that I will not mention many of these master fencing techniques because you can find them before and completely in Liechtenauer's art and fencing, according to real art. However for the sake of practice and school fencing I will briefly and simply describe some techniques and methods of their fencing.</p>
 
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<poem>Here now begins really,  
 
<poem>Here now begins really,  
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<p>One technique is called the ''Natterzunge'' (asp´s tongue) or "from the point" and comes from the changing-through. It done so that one stands in the point (''Langort'') and works like just as if he intends to change through by threatening to thrust with the point to both sides above the hilt so that he always and constantly aims and threats with the point. And thus you confuse him so that he does not know where you want to hit. And as soon he sees where he can hit his adversary best there he moves in with the point with a perfect thrust; and this has to be done fast so one does not defend against it.</p>
 
<p>One technique is called the ''Natterzunge'' (asp´s tongue) or "from the point" and comes from the changing-through. It done so that one stands in the point (''Langort'') and works like just as if he intends to change through by threatening to thrust with the point to both sides above the hilt so that he always and constantly aims and threats with the point. And thus you confuse him so that he does not know where you want to hit. And as soon he sees where he can hit his adversary best there he moves in with the point with a perfect thrust; and this has to be done fast so one does not defend against it.</p>
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<p>One technique is called the ''Krauthacke'' (herb hoe) and comes from the iron gate and is practiced by striking upwards from the ground directly to the man and down again. And it is a strong method for those who can do it correctly, with steps directly forward and with one upstrike with each step.</p>
 
<p>One technique is called the ''Krauthacke'' (herb hoe) and comes from the iron gate and is practiced by striking upwards from the ground directly to the man and down again. And it is a strong method for those who can do it correctly, with steps directly forward and with one upstrike with each step.</p>
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<p>One technique is called the ''Werkemeister'' (master builder) and comes from the low hanging from the left side, and it is the threatening with the point after the Absetzen. It may be well done from the gate, if the point turns against the adversary.</p>
 
<p>One technique is called the ''Werkemeister'' (master builder) and comes from the low hanging from the left side, and it is the threatening with the point after the Absetzen. It may be well done from the gate, if the point turns against the adversary.</p>
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<p>One technique is called the ''Pfobenzagel'' (peacock tail) and comes from the point. The point moves around the adversaries sword and seen from his eyes, it looks like a circle or a wheel. And thus it turns until he can see, where he may get his adversary.</p>
 
<p>One technique is called the ''Pfobenzagel'' (peacock tail) and comes from the point. The point moves around the adversaries sword and seen from his eyes, it looks like a circle or a wheel. And thus it turns until he can see, where he may get his adversary.</p>
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<p>One technique is called ____________ and also comes from the changing-through. He threatens with a strike from above from his right and changes through to the left with a good step outwards and with this he strikes the second strike from above which goes directly against the man and hits from the front at the vertex or with the ''Zwerch'' against the face. Alternatively you may do the ''Sturzhau'' (overthrown strike). Pretend that you strike from your right and then do a ''Strurzhau'' to the same side and move through under his sword to the left side with a good step in the same direction.</p>
 
<p>One technique is called ____________ and also comes from the changing-through. He threatens with a strike from above from his right and changes through to the left with a good step outwards and with this he strikes the second strike from above which goes directly against the man and hits from the front at the vertex or with the ''Zwerch'' against the face. Alternatively you may do the ''Sturzhau'' (overthrown strike). Pretend that you strike from your right and then do a ''Strurzhau'' to the same side and move through under his sword to the left side with a good step in the same direction.</p>
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<p>One technique is called the three strikes and it is an Underhau from the right <del>and an Unterhau from the right</del><ref>I removed “and an Unterhau from the right” , since it is obviously a mistake.</ref> and then an Underhau from the left strongly against his sword with the Absetzen and the third strike directly to his vertex and this one will hit.</p>
 
<p>One technique is called the three strikes and it is an Underhau from the right <del>and an Unterhau from the right</del><ref>I removed “and an Unterhau from the right” , since it is obviously a mistake.</ref> and then an Underhau from the left strongly against his sword with the Absetzen and the third strike directly to his vertex and this one will hit.</p>
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<p>One technique is called the ''Schrankhut'' (barrier guard) and comes from the point so that you put the point down to the ground to whichever side you want and thus you place yourself to the Absetzen. It may also be don from the gate when someone puts the point down to the ground in front of himself. And now if someone strikes or thrusts you so grab the point of the opponents sword while moving upwards with the Absetzen and strike him low to his feet or above or wherever he may hit him best. And this is also similar to the Krauthacke<ref>* the text says "Pfobenzagel" yet the description is that of the Krauthacke.</ref> if someone strikes permanently up and down and hits wherever he likes.</p>
 
<p>One technique is called the ''Schrankhut'' (barrier guard) and comes from the point so that you put the point down to the ground to whichever side you want and thus you place yourself to the Absetzen. It may also be don from the gate when someone puts the point down to the ground in front of himself. And now if someone strikes or thrusts you so grab the point of the opponents sword while moving upwards with the Absetzen and strike him low to his feet or above or wherever he may hit him best. And this is also similar to the Krauthacke<ref>* the text says "Pfobenzagel" yet the description is that of the Krauthacke.</ref> if someone strikes permanently up and down and hits wherever he likes.</p>
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<p>so at first shake your sword bravely and fall sideways into the Schrankhut to both sides and transition from guard to guard in wide motions, from one side upwards to the other with steps. After that set yourself in the lower hanging from both sides with steps and then come to the upper hangings from both sides with steps. Then come into the crossing strikes to both sides with steps. So that whenever you move through one of the techniques described before to one side you also have to take a step. If you execute it to your left so place the right foot in front and vice versa. And do this if you are coming to him and then do something appropriate what is useful for sport and so on.</p>
 
<p>so at first shake your sword bravely and fall sideways into the Schrankhut to both sides and transition from guard to guard in wide motions, from one side upwards to the other with steps. After that set yourself in the lower hanging from both sides with steps and then come to the upper hangings from both sides with steps. Then come into the crossing strikes to both sides with steps. So that whenever you move through one of the techniques described before to one side you also have to take a step. If you execute it to your left so place the right foot in front and vice versa. And do this if you are coming to him and then do something appropriate what is useful for sport and so on.</p>
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| <p>[17] And better aim for the high openings than the low, and move in over his hilt and remember the already written teaching. First of all so that you gain the Vorschlag and as soon as you do it so do the Nachschlag with moving in. And do these without delay in between just as if you would do them both at the same time if possible and permanently do one after another quickly and bravely, so that if one misses the other hits, so that your adversary does not come to strikes.</p>
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| <p>[12] And better aim for the high openings than the low, and move in over his hilt and remember the already written teaching. First of all so that you gain the Vorschlag and as soon as you do it so do the Nachschlag with moving in. And do these without delay in between just as if you would do them both at the same time if possible and permanently do one after another quickly and bravely, so that if one misses the other hits, so that your adversary does not come to strikes.</p>
 
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Revision as of 14:49, 26 December 2016

Ettlicher Maistern Gefechte
The Other Fencing Masters
Author(s)
Date late 1300s (?)
Language Middle High German
Manuscript(s)
First Printed
English Edition
Żabiński, 2008
Concordance by Michael Chidester
Translations

Andres Juden (Andres "the Jew"), Jobs von der Nissen, Nicklass Preußen, and the priest Hans Döbringer are four German fencing masters who stood in the tradition of Johannes Liechtenauer in the 14th or 15th century. None of these men is mentioned by Paulus Kal as being a member of the Fellowship of Liechtenauer with the possible exception of Andres the Jew (which could be a reference to Andre Liegniczer). Attributed to these four masters is an addendum to Liechtenauer's Recital on the long sword which offers advice on fencing and discusses techniques from a position called iron gate (Eisen Pforte). Sigmund Schining ain Ringeck also treated fencing from this guard in his addendum to Liechtenauer's teachings, but there is little technical overlap between the two works.

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  1. Word order reversed, the correct order indicated by markings is used here.
  2. The rest of the line disappears in the binding
  3. Does not expect your attack
  4. I removed “and an Unterhau from the right” , since it is obviously a mistake.
  5. * the text says "Pfobenzagel" yet the description is that of the Krauthacke.