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'''OBSERVATIO.'''
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'''UNDE''' licebit videre, num adversarius porrectim ensem exerceat vel minus.
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'''In''' congressu versus hostem, prospicias diligenter limis quasi oculis, num brevis sit feriundo, verum '''id''' eo modo deprehendas, si brachia non extendat in ipso ictu, brevis est et si in custodia consistas, laedere te nequibit, et si suo ense tuum prepedire conetur, eum itidem adprehendrere nequibit verum si eveniat, ut ex Bovis habitu laboret vel Aratri forma, itidem decipietur, denique quicquid exercuerit, inepta apparebunt. Huiusmodi Athletis se transmittas, eo coges, ut sese excipiendo ictus tuos tueri necesse sit, et tum libere quoscumque velis habitus exerceas, etiam cum hoste luctam inire.
 
'''In''' congressu versus hostem, prospicias diligenter limis quasi oculis, num brevis sit feriundo, verum '''id''' eo modo deprehendas, si brachia non extendat in ipso ictu, brevis est et si in custodia consistas, laedere te nequibit, et si suo ense tuum prepedire conetur, eum itidem adprehendrere nequibit verum si eveniat, ut ex Bovis habitu laboret vel Aratri forma, itidem decipietur, denique quicquid exercuerit, inepta apparebunt. Huiusmodi Athletis se transmittas, eo coges, ut sese excipiendo ictus tuos tueri necesse sit, et tum libere quoscumque velis habitus exerceas, etiam cum hoste luctam inire.
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From whence it can be considered, if the adversary would employ the extended sword even less.
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In the approach against the opponent, you should watch diligently for as if side eye, if he would have struck short, truly you should seize him/it in this way, if he would not extend the arm in the thrust itself, it is short and if you should stand in a guard, he will not be able to injure you, and if he tries to trip you up with his sword, truly if it happens that he in the same way can't overtake you, so that he works from the Ox or from the Plow posture, likewise, he is deceived/trapped, Finally, whatever he employs, they are evidently foolish.
 
In the approach against the opponent, you should watch diligently for as if side eye, if he would have struck short, truly you should seize him/it in this way, if he would not extend the arm in the thrust itself, it is short and if you should stand in a guard, he will not be able to injure you, and if he tries to trip you up with his sword, truly if it happens that he in the same way can't overtake you, so that he works from the Ox or from the Plow posture, likewise, he is deceived/trapped, Finally, whatever he employs, they are evidently foolish.
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# In the approach against the opponent,

Latest revision as of 00:57, 28 March 2023

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88r a

88r a Latin (Sandbox)

  1. ALIA FORMA.[^1]
  2. QUUM contra hostem consistas,
  3. ensem dextro humero adplicatum continens;
  4. at is vicissim in custodia Aratri,
  5. atque te puncturum inferné comminatur,
  6. ictum tu convertas ex acie brevi,
  7. et porrectim superné contra hostem si direxeris,
  8. punctione te adpraehendere is non poterit.

88r a English (Sandbox)

  1. Another form [^1]
  2. When you would stand against the enemy,
  3. holding the sword close to your right upper arm:
  4. and HE in turn in the Plow guard,
  5. and he barricades you with a lower thrust,
  6. YOU would convert the strike from the short edge,
  7. and if you direct [it?] extended above against the opponent,
  8. HE cannot overtake you in your thrust.

88r a notes

[^1]: The author is using 'alia forma' as an alternative to 'alius habitus' from the preceding section to avoid the repetition of the German original's 'Item ein ander'

Missing Zettel verses from Dresden 95r (27)

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German

Schill Kurtz er dich an
Durchwechsel gesigt Im an

English (Fritz)

Squint if he is short against you,
Durchwechseln defeats him.

88r b

88r b Latin (Sandbox)

  1. OBSERVATIO.
  2. UNDE licebit videre,
  3. num adversarius porrectim ensem exerceat vel minus.
  4. In congressu versus hostem,
  5. prospicias diligenter limis quasi oculis,
  6. num brevis sit feriundo,
  7. verum id[^1] eo modo deprehendas,
  8. si brachia non extendat in ipso ictu,
  9. brevis est,
  10. et si in custodia consistas,
  11. laedere te nequibit,[^3]
  12. et si suo ense tuum prepedire conetur,
  13. eum itidem adprehendere nequibit.
  14. Verum si eveniat,
  15. ut ex Bovis habitu laboret vel Aratri forma,[^2]
  16. itidem decipietur,[^4]
  17. denique quicquid exercuerit,
  18. inepta apparebunt.
  19. Huiusmodi Athletis se transmittas,
  20. eo coges,
  21. ut sese excipiendo ictus tuos tueri necesse sit,
  22. et tum libere quoscumque velis habitus exerceas,
  23. etiam cum hoste luctam inire.

88r b English (Sandbox)

  1. Observation.
  2. From whence it can be considered,
  3. whether the adversary would practice [with] the rather less extended sword.
  4. In the approach against the opponent,
  5. you should watch diligently with a side eye as it were,
  6. whether he were short with the striking,
  7. truly you should catch IT in the act in this way,
  8. if he would not extend the arm in the cut itself,
  9. he is short,
  10. and if you should take a position in a guard,
  11. he will not be able to injure you,
  12. and if he tries to use his sword as an impediment in front of you,
  13. he likewise can't seize IT [the sword].
  14. Truly if it happens,
  15. that he works from the stance of Ox or from the guard of the Plow,
  16. he is likewise deceived.
  17. Finally, whatever he exercises,
  18. the foolish things will appear.
  19. If you send [the sword] across this type of Athlete,
  20. you will drive [him] in the same direction,
  21. so that it is necessary to protect himself by taking out your cuts,
  22. and then you would freely practice the aspect of the art as often as you want,
  23. and also when you begin wrestling with the enemy.

88r b notes

[^1]: could this "id" refer to "indes"? Also, "id" appears with "deprehendas" again on 22a and 23a

[^2]: 'habitu' and 'forma' are both used here to refer to specific stances or guards, and the skill and/or positional posture required to learn them. The German assumes that once a cut or guard is named, then they no longer require the specification of cut/guard. In this case, 'habitus' is translated as 'stance' and 'forma' as 'guard' to preserve the rhetorical flourishes in the Latin. parallel construction, two attacks, included in the German parallel construction, from either of two guards, also in german

[^3]: line 11 is an extrapolation from the German [if they attack your sword], and lines 12 and 13 do not appear in the German original.

[^4]: Lines 16-18 are not from the German. The Latin does not include the German lines about winding in front of the opponent. The Latin rejoins the German at line 17.

88r c

88r c Latin (Sandbox)

  1. Item si ad hostem concedes[^2],
  2. in ipso progressu,
  3. limis oculis observabis,
  4. num breviter ensem exerceat,
  5. idque ea ratione deprehendas,
  6. in conflictu si non porrexerit brachia in ipso ictu
  7. libere transmittes tum ictibus,
  8. tum vero punctionibus ex mucrone longiori,
  9. et ea ratione adversarius cogetur,
  10. ut tibi sit concessum,
  11. strenue contra ipsum habitus quosuis[^3] usurpare
  12. non citra ipsius corporis detrimentum.


88r c English (sandbox)

  1. Item, if you would step to the enemy,
  2. in this progression,
  3. observe the side eye,
  4. now briefly train/exercise the sword,
  5. you would discern it using this method,
  6. in the collision, if he does not extend arms in the thrust itself,
  7. next you freely send across with blows,
  8. then truly using a thrust from the longer sword,
  9. and the adversary will be rounded up using this method,
  10. so that it would have been permitted[^4] to you,
  11. seize strenuously upon this condition[^5] against whomsoever,
  12. no diminishment[^6] on this side of the body itself.


88r c notes

confusing habitus in line 11