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| author(s)              = Unknown
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 | [[author::Martin Syber]]
 | [[author::Hans Talhoffer]]
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| language               = [[language::Early New High German]]
| date                   = mid [[year::1400s]] (?)
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| archetype(s)           = Hypothetical
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 | [[Talhoffer Fechtbuch (MS Thott.290.2º)|MS Thott.290.2º]] (1459)
 | [[Codex Speyer (MS M.I.29)|MS M.I.29]] (1491)
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| first printed edition  = Hull, 2008
| wiktenauer compilation by= [[Michael Chidester]]
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| genre                  = [[Fencing manual]]
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 | {{German translation|http://talhoffer.wordpress.com/2011/06/04/hans-talhoffers-fencing-poem-transcription-and-translation-from-thott-290-2%C2%B0/|1}}
 | {{German translation|http://talhoffer.wordpress.com/2011/06/02/transcription-and-translation-of-the-verses-in-the-fechtbuch-mi29-on-page-3r/|1}}
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This '''anonymous poem''' appears in fragmentary form in two [[century::15th century]] manuscripts: [[Hans Talhoffer]]'s personal manuscript of 1459<ref>[[Hans Talhoffer|Talhoffer, Hans]]. Untitled [manuscript]. [[Talhoffer Fechtbuch (MS Thott.290.2º)|MS Thott.290.2º]]. Copenhagen, Denmark: [[Det Kongelige Bibliotek]], 1459.</ref> and [[Hans von Speyer]]'s 1491 compilation.<ref>[[Johannes Liechtenauer|Liechtenauer, Johannes]], et al. Untitled [manuscript]. [[Codex Speyer (MS M.I.29)|MS M.I.29]]. Comp. [[Hans von Speyer]]. Salzburg, Austria: [[Universitätsbibliothek Salzburg]], 1491.</ref> It shares concepts and terminology with the writings of [[Martin Syber]] and follows his ''New Zettel'' ("New Record") in Speyer's work,<ref name="Hull">[[Jeffrey Hull|Hull, Jeffrey]]. [http://www.thearma.org/Manuals/Mertin_Siber/MS-Web.htm "Mertin Siber’s Longsword Fight-Lore of 1491 AD: a thesis on the ''Fechtlehre'' from Handschrift M I 29 (''Codex Speyer'') at the University of Salzburg in Austria"]. The [[Association for Renaissance Martial Arts]], 2005. Retrieved 30 November 2010.</ref> but is absent from other presentations of his work. Its presence in Talhoffer's writings over thirty years earlier would also suggest that Syber is not the original author (or potentially that his career was much earlier than currently thought).

It is worth mentioning that the justification for considering the two poems to be parts of the same greater work is not as strong as we might wish. Out of 30 lines in the Copenhagen version and 27 in the Salzburg, only ten are common to both poems. This is a much smaller degree of overlap than we generally see in different renditions of the same work, though it is still substantial enough to reasonably conclude that the two are related in some way.

== Treatise ==

The couplet in bold text appears out of sequence between the two versions. Its proper location cannot be determined from available information.

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! <p>{{rating|B}}<br/>by [[Christian Trosclair]]</p>
! <p>[[Talhoffer Fechtbuch (MS Thott.290.2º)|Copenhagen Version]] (1459){{edit index|Talhoffer Fechtbuch (MS Thott.290.2º)}}<br/>Transcribed by [[Dieter Bachmann]]</p>
! <p>[[Codex Speyer (MS M.I.29)|Salzburg Version]] (1491){{edit index|Codex Speyer (MS M.I.29)}}<br/>Transcribed by [[Dierk Hagedorn]]</p>

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| <small>1</small><br/><br/><br/><br/><small>5</small><br/><br/><br/><br/><br/><small>10</small><br/><br/><br/><br/><br/><small>15</small><br/><br/><br/><br/><br/><small>20</small><br/><br/><br/><br/><br/><small>25</small><br/><br/><br/><br/><br/><small>30</small><br/><br/><br/><br/><br/><small>35</small><br/><br/><br/><br/><br/><small>40</small><br/><br/><br/><br/><br/><small>45</small>
| {{red|Descending cut is for thrust<br/>Rising cut breaks simply<br/>Lateral cut in the wide<ref>open space</ref><br/>Now ponder what this means<br/>In the switch cut, seek the gauche, <br/>Snipe for a displacement<br/>Plunge cut, therein you rotate<br/>If you wish to find the face uncovered<br/>Then from the part cut,<br/>Strike down their short edge<br/>Invert the plunge cut when down below<br/>Therein seek and learn<br/>In the Iron-point,<ref>usually ‘pfort’: port</ref> take watch.<br/>Rise up with your point.<br/>You deliver one more time into the unicorn<br/>'''''Your roses in the little wheel.'''''<br/>'''''Suddenly retract the hits to give good opportunities'''''<br/>Shield cut clashes together<br/>The wing accosts the ears}}<br/>Wrath-point, the chest to pierce<br/>Shooting over to both sides<br/>{{red|The waker will stay<br/>Driving strokes will go}}<br/>'''''Into the roses in the little wheel'''''<br/>'''''Suddenly retract the hits to give good opportunities'''''<br/>Crooked-hew to the mouth<ref>maw</ref><br/>If you have intwined him, do not rest<br/>In the war, so you apply grips<br/>Ox, plow: therein you do not soften<br/>Play<ref>Do not be serious, as in “jocamen, schimf oder scherz, vergnügen, spiel”</ref> with the carving<ref>in weiterer freierer anwendung. a) durch zerren, ziehen in schnelle bewegung versetzen.</ref> point<br/>In the barrier-point<ref>also trap, snare</ref> have a heart<br/>Avert<ref>Turn away, twist, steal away</ref> in the iron-gate.<br/>Perform a failing [upon] a buffalo, if you are agile<br/>{{red|Approaching first, [then] pursuing is the snare<br/>Bouncing, overrunning and the slice<br/>That is a general teaching<br/>Orient yourself thereupon<ref>lit. turn</ref><br/>This enables you to know,<br/>What this art claims to prize.}}<br/>If you wish to enjoy the Art,<br/>Then learn the doubled hews<br/>Whoever follows<ref>chases</ref> straight<ref>also simple</ref> hews,<br/>They permit their art little rejoicing<br/>Also [there] are the four guards<br/>That you shall always remember<br/>Do not fall strongly therein<br/>Lest<ref>lit. ‘or’</ref> he clash loudly, sounding over it.<br/>Whenever one wishes to bind-upon<br/>Then wind the short edge into forwards.
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 | work        = [[Talhoffer Fechtbuch (MS Thott.290.2º)|Copenhagen Version]]
 | authors     = [[Dieter Bachmann]]
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 | work        = [[Codex Speyer (MS M.I.29)|Salzburg Version]]
 | authors     = [[Dierk Hagedorn]]
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 | source title= [[Index:Codex Speyer (MS M.I.29)]]
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