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== Purgatory ==
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| {{no}}
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| ''Fior di Battaglia''
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| The Book of Feats of Arms and Chivalry
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| Early 15th century
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| before 1430
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| Ms. 84
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| Lots
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| [[Fiore de'i Liberi]]
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| Christine de Pisan
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| Biblioteca Estense
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| BnF, etc.
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| Last seen 1508
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| https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=epXQh7B1w20C
  
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_de_Pizan
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| ''Fior di Battaglia''
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http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8448959c
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| Early 15th century
 
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| Ms. 110
 
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| [[Fiore de'i Liberi]]
 
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| Biblioteca Estense
 
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| Last seen 1508
 
  
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http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b6000099t
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| {{no}}
 
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| ''De Arte Gladiatoria Dimicandi''
 
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| ca. 1480s
 
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| [[Philippo di Vadi]]
 
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| Vatican Library
 
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| Possible second copy of [[De Arte Gladiatoria Dimicandi (Cod.1324)]]
 
  
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http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b84489727
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| 1500s
 
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| Anonymous
 
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| Listed by Wassmannsdorff
 
  
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http://google.com/books/reader?id=hb1AAAAAcAAJ&pg=GBS.PA185
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http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8448955q
  
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http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b9058872d
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| 1515
 
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| J. Schwerer
 
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| Formerly Ortenburg'sche Bibliothek zu Tambach
 
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| o.S.
 
  
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verschollen – bei WELLE aufgeführt, W 08
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http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8449705f
  
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http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8451466w
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| {{no}}
 
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| Rast Fechtbuch
 
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| ca. 1549
 
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| [[Antonius Rast]]
 
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| Purchased at auction by [[Paulus Hector Mair]], used to create the [[Rast Fechtbuch (Reichsstadt "Schätze" Nr. 82)|Reichstadt Nr. 82]] in 1553.
 
  
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En: http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.rbc/rosenwald.0570
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| 1556
 
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| Johannes Bierchenauwer
 
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| 19th century facsimile possibly exists
 
  
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De: http://resolver.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/SBB000017D900000000
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| {{no}}
 
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| ''Kunst des Fechtens''
 
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| 1561
 
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| [[Joachim Meyer]]
 
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| Lost as of the mid 20th century.
 
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http://talhoffer.wordpress.com/2011/07/04/1561-joachim-meyer-dedicated-a-fencing-book-to-the-pfalzgrafen-of-pfalz-veldenz-2/
 
  
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| {{no}}
 
| {{no}}
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| ''Cabinet d'escrime de l'espee et poingnardt''
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| ''De Arte Gladiatoria Dimicandi''
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| 1585
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| ca. 1480s
 
|  
 
|  
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| [[Captain Peloquin]]
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| [[Philippo di Vadi]]
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|  
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| Vatican Library
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| Source for [[Cabinet d'escrime de l'espee et poingnardt (MS KB.73.J.39)|MS KB.73.J.39]]
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| Possible second copy of [[De Arte Gladiatoria Dimicandi (MS Vitt.Em.1324)]]
  
 
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| Cesare Pagani
 
| Cesare Pagani
 
| Biblioteca Nazionale di Firenze
 
| Biblioteca Nazionale di Firenze
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| (XIX, 194, Magliabecchiana)
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(XIX, 194, Magliabecchiana)
 
  
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This is mentioned by Gelli. It is dated 1592, and Cesare declares himself a relative (possibly a nephew) of Marcantoio Pagano, who published his treatise in 1553. 
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This is mentioned by Gelli. It is dated 1592, and Cesare declares himself a relative (possibly a nephew) of Marcantoio Pagano, who published his treatise in 1553.  
  
 
This is a weird one. It is in a good state of conservation, written in a beautifully clear hand and in a mostly not too obtuse Italian. The who thing was quite pricey to scan so I ordered the first 1/3 (which came to over 150 pages) to have a look and never followed up the next 2/3 as it is 99% irrelevant to the practical study of fencing. Instead it is literally stuffed with classical references but also observations about the natural world and sundry other digressions; there are no techniques and only scattered pieces of very general fencing advice.
 
This is a weird one. It is in a good state of conservation, written in a beautifully clear hand and in a mostly not too obtuse Italian. The who thing was quite pricey to scan so I ordered the first 1/3 (which came to over 150 pages) to have a look and never followed up the next 2/3 as it is 99% irrelevant to the practical study of fencing. Instead it is literally stuffed with classical references but also observations about the natural world and sundry other digressions; there are no techniques and only scattered pieces of very general fencing advice.
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| ''Libro de las grandezas de la espada''(?)
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| 1616
 
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| Late 1500s or early 1600s
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| Ms Aa298
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| Add. Ms. 23223
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| Palais Liechtenstein Archiv
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| http://fechtgeschichte.blogspot.com/2017/04/transkription-der-handschrift-aa-298.html
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| British Library
 
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| This is listed by Castle, and is catalogued as 17th Century but the content itself seems more consistent with 16th century treatises. A black and white, easily readable, scan is inexpensive from the BL. It is handwritten in Italian, no illustrations, in two separate hands which are both fairly easy to read, although some of the pages are damaged and it is reasonable brief (the scan is 96 pages including blanks). Interestingly it uses the same guard nomenclature as Altoni with high, medium and low guards, and primarily discusses the single sword, sword and dagger, sword and cape and sword and rotella. The way it is organised is unusual, in that rather than relegating the rotella to a section of its own like most comparable treatises, it has a section on say the high guard, then explains how this applies to the single sword, sword and dagger, sword and cape and sword and rotella. It also very briefly mentions polearms, the spadone and two swords, which makes a nice round 10 Italian sources (alone) that includes two swords (Manciolino, Marozzo, Altoni, Agrippa, Di Grassi, Lovino, Lucino, Palladini, Docciolini, and this one). It is anonymous and it contains no overt contextual references (on an initial scan) to tie it down temporally or geographically. My gut feeling however is that it is Tuscan and late 16th century. In addition to guard nomenclature, it appears to have further commonalities with Altoni (for example it mentions the “zagaglia” as a pole weapon, which does not appear in any other known treatises except Altoni). The language appears quite “modern” and there are no glaring dialectal traits on an initial reading, but not inconsistent with a Tuscan/Central Italian origin…
 
  
 
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| ''Discorso del Gioco di Spada dell'Orafo di Cremona''
 
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(Discourse on the Play of the Sword by the Goldsmith of Cremona)
 
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| Early 1600s
 
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| Urb.lat.1231
 
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Cod. vatic. Urbin. 1231
 
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| Orafo di Cremona
 
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| Vatican Library
 
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Vatican Library (Fondo Urbinate), Rome
 
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| This was relatively inexpensive as a copy from microfilm, however the scan is very bad and the words quite hard to read. This manuscript previously belonged to Gelli, and is described here:
 
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http://www.swordforum.com/forums/showthread.php?92497-New-Manuscript-Orafo-di-Cremona
 
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On a quick scan through there is little or no non technical content to put the treatises into context, and the scan is so faint in places I haven't managed to force myself to read it. It seems to have only two guards, the “diritta” and “roverscia”.
 
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| {{yes}}
 
| {{yes}}
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| ''Fechtbuch des einfachen Rapiers / Fechtbuch in Rapier und Dolchen''
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| ''Nueva ciencia y filosofía de la destreza de las armas''
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| 1611
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| 1625
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| Mss. germ. qu. 1190/1191
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| Mss/9038
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| [[Hans Wilhelm Schöffer von Dietz]]
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| [[Luis Pacheco de Narváez]]
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| Staatsbibliothek zu Berlin
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| Biblioteca Nacional de Espana
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| (Single rapier, dated 1611. Many ink drawings. Belonged to Erasmus von Starhemberg, who owned another well-known Fechtbuch.)
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| Manuscript of Nueva Ciencia, which wasn't published until 1672.
  
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Ms. germ. qu. 1190, Berlin, Staatsbibliothek zu Berlin - Preußischer Kulturbesitz<br/>Mayster Hans Wilhelm: Fechtbuch des einfachen Rapiers (single rapier)<br/>318 folios · 1611
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http://bdh.bne.es/bnesearch/detalle/bdh0000088867
  
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(Another book by the same master, this one on rapier & dagger)
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Ms. germ. qu. 1191, Berlin, Staatsbibliothek zu Berlin - Preußischer Kulturbesitz<br/>Mayster Hans Wilhelm: Fechtbuch in Rapier und Dolchen<br/>327 Blatt · 1611
 
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:~ Matt G.
 
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* Archetype for ''[[Grůndtliche vñ eigentlichte Beschreibung der Fechtkunst (Hans Wilhelm Schöffer von Dietz)|Grůndtliche vñ eigentlichte Beschreibung der Fechtkunst]]''?
 
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* Archetype for earlier publication of same in two volumes, making the 1620 a compilation reprint?
 
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* Possibly the same as or related to [[Grůndtliche vñ eigentlichte Beschreibung der Fechtkunst (4º MS Math.2)|4º MS Math.2]]
 
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| {{no}}
 
| {{no}}
 
| ''Compendio y Philosophia y Dztreza de las Armas''
 
| ''Compendio y Philosophia y Dztreza de las Armas''
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| Traced by Archibald Corble in the early 20th century to create the [[Compendio y Philosophia y Dztreza de las Armas (MS R4-B274)|MS R4-B274]].
 
| Traced by Archibald Corble in the early 20th century to create the [[Compendio y Philosophia y Dztreza de las Armas (MS R4-B274)|MS R4-B274]].
  
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https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-us/auction-catalogues/il-ponte/catalogue-id-il-pon1-10007/lot-d6d76e96-c0e1-4ee7-bc1d-a75c00c0b32a
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| {{yes}}
 
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| ''Anfangs Gründe der Edeln Fechtkunst''
 
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| 1744-1763
 
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| MS B 215
 
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| Salomon Christoph Müller
 
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| Universiätsbibliothek Erlangen
 
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| Paper<br/>99 fol.
 
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German manuscript on the smallsword: Hs. B 215 at the University Library in Erlangen, Germany. It dates from around 1750, and was written by Salomon Christoph Mueller, the court fencing master for the Brandenburg court at Ansbach. The manuscript was originally in the palace library at Ansbach. The work is entitled Anfangs Gruende der Fechtkunst (Foundations of Fencing), and consists of two volumes: Vol. I has 56 pages and 81 plates. Vol II has 60 pages and 114 plates (many of which deal with left-handed fencing). The illustrations are ink drawings with watercolor. This sounds like an interesting work by someone who must have been a fairly prominent master. ~Matt G.
 
  
 
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| RL Scott
 
| RL Scott
 
| Manuscript by author, 'Traite Des Armes', by Theophile-Malo Corret De La Tour D'Auvergne.<br/>Published 1797.<br/>Subject classification: Fencing - French, 18th century NB letter inside giving history of this MS, Rouen, 1900 Also typed paragraph about the book
 
| Manuscript by author, 'Traite Des Armes', by Theophile-Malo Corret De La Tour D'Auvergne.<br/>Published 1797.<br/>Subject classification: Fencing - French, 18th century NB letter inside giving history of this MS, Rouen, 1900 Also typed paragraph about the book
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| {{no}}
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| 18th century
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| Ms. Dresd. 469
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| Dominique Quenin, Maitre d'Armes de S.M.I.
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| SLUB
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| 84 figures of fencers. Watercolor illustrations. 18th century, quarto, 48 folios. (Probably smallsword, but impossible to tell.)
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| {{no}}
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| 18th century
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| Ms. Dresd. 491
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| SLUB
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| Jeux d'Epee en figures. ("Game of the Sword, Illustrated.") Painted illustrations. 18th century, 25 folios.
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== Morgue ==
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The Manuscript Morgue is for manuscripts that seem to have existed at one time, but for which we currently have no solid information or leads.
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| {{no}}
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| ''Die Art und Weise, anzugreifen und zu verteidigen'' (?)
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| ca. 1295
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| Francesco Giacomo Guglielmo and Filippo Del Serpente
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| Language and state of existence unknown.
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| {{no}}
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| 1434
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| [[Filippo di Bartolomeo Dardi]]
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| Lost
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| {{no}}
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| Opera de Scherma
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| 1532
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| [[Guido Antonio di Luca]]
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| Lost
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| {{no}}
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| “M. Pauls Liechtenawer von Venedig Fechtbuech. Anno 1548 beschriben Worden”
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| 1548
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| Stat III, Nr. 25 (24)
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| J. Acutt: Die Gründung der Münchener Hofbibliothek durch Albrecht V. and Johann Jakob Fugger (Vol. 28, Issue. 3, 1918, p.418); Prommers Katalog (p. 132). Location unknown
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| {{no}}
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| Rast Fechtbuch
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| ca. 1549
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|
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| [[Antonius Rast]]
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|
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| Purchased at auction by [[Paulus Hector Mair]], used to create the [[Rast Fechtbuch (Reichsstadt "Schätze" Nr. 82)|Reichstadt Nr. 82]] in 1553.
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| {{no}}
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| 1556
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| Johannes Bierchenauwer (?)
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| 19th century facsimile possibly exists
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File:Bierchenauwer 1.jpg
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File:Bierchenauwer 2.jpg
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| {{no}}
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| 1557
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| [[Johannes Liechtenauer]] et al.
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| Stadtarchiv Biel
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| In 1968, there was an exhibition at the Schweizerische Turn- und Sportmuseum in Basel on fencing in art. It included a manuscript from 1557 described as containing the teachings of Liechtenauer, which was contributed by the Stadtarchiv Biel. This manuscript is not listed in any of the fencing manual catalogs, and the description given in the article matches no manuscript that we're aware of.
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http://www.zeit.de/1968/50/das-fechten-in-der-kunst
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When Jens Kleinau pointed this article out, Jurg Gassman and I (but more him) began making inquiries; after several weeks and speaking to every institution that might possibly have information about this (and tracking down one of about ten remaining copies of the exhibition publication), we've found nothing but dead ends.
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https://books.google.com/books?id=dolGNQEACAAJ
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| {{no}}
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| ''Cabinet d'escrime de l'espee et poingnardt''
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| 1585
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| [[Captain Peloquin]]
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| Source for [[Cabinet d'escrime de l'espee et poingnardt (MS KB.73.J.39)|MS KB.73.J.39]]
  
 
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Latest revision as of 21:02, 6 November 2023

Items in red have not yet been verified with the holding library.

Purgatory

Manuscript Purgatory is for works that we have not yet indexed for one reason or another.

M Title Year Signature Author Location Notes
No The Book of Feats of Arms and Chivalry before 1430 Lots Christine de Pisan BnF, etc. https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=epXQh7B1w20C

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_de_Pizan

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8448959c

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b6000099t

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b84489727

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8448955q

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b9058872d

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8449705f

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8451466w

En: http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.rbc/rosenwald.0570

De: http://resolver.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/SBB000017D900000000

No De Arte Gladiatoria Dimicandi ca. 1480s Philippo di Vadi Vatican Library Possible second copy of De Arte Gladiatoria Dimicandi (MS Vitt.Em.1324)
Yes Il Disegno Del signor Cesare Pagano, Cavaliere Nopoletano, su'l vero Teatro di Marte, Per la Teorica della Schrimia, All' Altezza, di Don Ferdinando, de Medeci, Gran Duca di Toscana 1592 Cesare Pagani Biblioteca Nazionale di Firenze (XIX, 194, Magliabecchiana)

This is mentioned by Gelli. It is dated 1592, and Cesare declares himself a relative (possibly a nephew) of Marcantoio Pagano, who published his treatise in 1553.

This is a weird one. It is in a good state of conservation, written in a beautifully clear hand and in a mostly not too obtuse Italian. The who thing was quite pricey to scan so I ordered the first 1/3 (which came to over 150 pages) to have a look and never followed up the next 2/3 as it is 99% irrelevant to the practical study of fencing. Instead it is literally stuffed with classical references but also observations about the natural world and sundry other digressions; there are no techniques and only scattered pieces of very general fencing advice.

Yes Libro de las grandezas de la espada(?) 1616 Ms Aa298 Palais Liechtenstein Archiv http://fechtgeschichte.blogspot.com/2017/04/transkription-der-handschrift-aa-298.html
Yes Nueva ciencia y filosofía de la destreza de las armas 1625 Mss/9038 Luis Pacheco de Narváez Biblioteca Nacional de Espana Manuscript of Nueva Ciencia, which wasn't published until 1672.

http://bdh.bne.es/bnesearch/detalle/bdh0000088867

No Compendio y Philosophia y Dztreza de las Armas 1625 Octavio Ferrara Traced by Archibald Corble in the early 20th century to create the MS R4-B274.

https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-us/auction-catalogues/il-ponte/catalogue-id-il-pon1-10007/lot-d6d76e96-c0e1-4ee7-bc1d-a75c00c0b32a

No Abregé de l'exercice des armes[. Necéssaire à la jeunesse de savoir, pour pouvoir se deffendre avec son espée] 1767 MS E.1939.65.459 G. Belfin RL Scott

Luxembourg (place of manufacture)

Paper, vellum
Manuscript entitled, 'Abrege De L'Exercice Des Armes', by G Belfin.
Published Luxembourg, 1767.
Subject classification: Fencing - French, 18th century. Bookplate with coat of arms
No Traite Des Armes 1797 MS E.1939.65.489 Theophile-Malo Corret de La Tour D'Auvergne RL Scott Manuscript by author, 'Traite Des Armes', by Theophile-Malo Corret De La Tour D'Auvergne.
Published 1797.
Subject classification: Fencing - French, 18th century NB letter inside giving history of this MS, Rouen, 1900 Also typed paragraph about the book
No 18th century Ms. Dresd. 469 Dominique Quenin, Maitre d'Armes de S.M.I. SLUB 84 figures of fencers. Watercolor illustrations. 18th century, quarto, 48 folios. (Probably smallsword, but impossible to tell.)
No 18th century Ms. Dresd. 491 SLUB Jeux d'Epee en figures. ("Game of the Sword, Illustrated.") Painted illustrations. 18th century, 25 folios.

Morgue

The Manuscript Morgue is for manuscripts that seem to have existed at one time, but for which we currently have no solid information or leads.

M Title Year Signature Author Location Notes
No Die Art und Weise, anzugreifen und zu verteidigen (?) ca. 1295 Francesco Giacomo Guglielmo and Filippo Del Serpente Language and state of existence unknown.
No 1434 Filippo di Bartolomeo Dardi Lost
No Opera de Scherma 1532 Guido Antonio di Luca Lost
No “M. Pauls Liechtenawer von Venedig Fechtbuech. Anno 1548 beschriben Worden” 1548 Stat III, Nr. 25 (24) J. Acutt: Die Gründung der Münchener Hofbibliothek durch Albrecht V. and Johann Jakob Fugger (Vol. 28, Issue. 3, 1918, p.418); Prommers Katalog (p. 132). Location unknown


No Rast Fechtbuch ca. 1549 Antonius Rast Purchased at auction by Paulus Hector Mair, used to create the Reichstadt Nr. 82 in 1553.
No 1556 Johannes Bierchenauwer (?) 19th century facsimile possibly exists
  • Bierchenauwer 1.jpg
  • Bierchenauwer 2.jpg
No 1557 Johannes Liechtenauer et al. Stadtarchiv Biel In 1968, there was an exhibition at the Schweizerische Turn- und Sportmuseum in Basel on fencing in art. It included a manuscript from 1557 described as containing the teachings of Liechtenauer, which was contributed by the Stadtarchiv Biel. This manuscript is not listed in any of the fencing manual catalogs, and the description given in the article matches no manuscript that we're aware of.

http://www.zeit.de/1968/50/das-fechten-in-der-kunst

When Jens Kleinau pointed this article out, Jurg Gassman and I (but more him) began making inquiries; after several weeks and speaking to every institution that might possibly have information about this (and tracking down one of about ten remaining copies of the exhibition publication), we've found nothing but dead ends.

https://books.google.com/books?id=dolGNQEACAAJ

No Cabinet d'escrime de l'espee et poingnardt 1585 Captain Peloquin Source for MS KB.73.J.39
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