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| Manuscript of Nueva Ciencia, which wasn't published until 1672. | | Manuscript of Nueva Ciencia, which wasn't published until 1672. | ||
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+ | | ''Compendio y Philosophia y Dztreza de las Armas'' | ||
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− | | | + | | Traced by Archibald Corble in the early 20th century to create the [[Compendio y Philosophia y Dztreza de las Armas (MS R4-B274)|MS R4-B274]]. |
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| Manuscript by author, 'Traite Des Armes', by Theophile-Malo Corret De La Tour D'Auvergne.<br/>Published 1797.<br/>Subject classification: Fencing - French, 18th century NB letter inside giving history of this MS, Rouen, 1900 Also typed paragraph about the book | | Manuscript by author, 'Traite Des Armes', by Theophile-Malo Corret De La Tour D'Auvergne.<br/>Published 1797.<br/>Subject classification: Fencing - French, 18th century NB letter inside giving history of this MS, Rouen, 1900 Also typed paragraph about the book | ||
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+ | | 18th century | ||
+ | | Ms. Dresd. 469 | ||
+ | | Dominique Quenin, Maitre d'Armes de S.M.I. | ||
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+ | | 84 figures of fencers. Watercolor illustrations. 18th century, quarto, 48 folios. (Probably smallsword, but impossible to tell.) | ||
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+ | | Ms. Dresd. 491 | ||
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+ | | Jeux d'Epee en figures. ("Game of the Sword, Illustrated.") Painted illustrations. 18th century, 25 folios. | ||
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− | The Manuscript Morgue is for manuscripts that | + | The Manuscript Morgue is for manuscripts that seem to have existed at one time, but for which we currently have no solid information or leads. |
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| ''Die Art und Weise, anzugreifen und zu verteidigen'' (?) | | ''Die Art und Weise, anzugreifen und zu verteidigen'' (?) | ||
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+ | | “M. Pauls Liechtenawer von Venedig Fechtbuech. Anno 1548 beschriben Worden” | ||
+ | | 1548 | ||
+ | | Stat III, Nr. 25 (24) | ||
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+ | | J. Acutt: Die Gründung der Münchener Hofbibliothek durch Albrecht V. and Johann Jakob Fugger (Vol. 28, Issue. 3, 1918, p.418); Prommers Katalog (p. 132). Location unknown | ||
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| Purchased at auction by [[Paulus Hector Mair]], used to create the [[Rast Fechtbuch (Reichsstadt "Schätze" Nr. 82)|Reichstadt Nr. 82]] in 1553. | | Purchased at auction by [[Paulus Hector Mair]], used to create the [[Rast Fechtbuch (Reichsstadt "Schätze" Nr. 82)|Reichstadt Nr. 82]] in 1553. | ||
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+ | | In 1968, there was an exhibition at the Schweizerische Turn- und Sportmuseum in Basel on fencing in art. It included a manuscript from 1557 described as containing the teachings of Liechtenauer, which was contributed by the Stadtarchiv Biel. This manuscript is not listed in any of the fencing manual catalogs, and the description given in the article matches no manuscript that we're aware of. | ||
− | http:// | + | http://www.zeit.de/1968/50/das-fechten-in-der-kunst |
− | |- valign="top | + | When Jens Kleinau pointed this article out, Jurg Gassman and I (but more him) began making inquiries; after several weeks and speaking to every institution that might possibly have information about this (and tracking down one of about ten remaining copies of the exhibition publication), we've found nothing but dead ends. |
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| Source for [[Cabinet d'escrime de l'espee et poingnardt (MS KB.73.J.39)|MS KB.73.J.39]] | | Source for [[Cabinet d'escrime de l'espee et poingnardt (MS KB.73.J.39)|MS KB.73.J.39]] | ||
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Contents
Purgatory
Manuscript Purgatory is for works that we have not yet indexed for one reason or another.
M | Title | Year | Signature | Author | Location | Notes |
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No | The Book of Feats of Arms and Chivalry | before 1430 | Lots | Christine de Pisan | BnF, etc. | https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=epXQh7B1w20C
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_de_Pizan http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8448959c http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b6000099t http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b84489727 http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8448955q http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b9058872d http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8449705f http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8451466w En: http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.rbc/rosenwald.0570 De: http://resolver.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/SBB000017D900000000 |
No | De Arte Gladiatoria Dimicandi | ca. 1480s | Philippo di Vadi | Vatican Library | Possible second copy of De Arte Gladiatoria Dimicandi (MS Vitt.Em.1324) | |
Yes | Il Disegno Del signor Cesare Pagano, Cavaliere Nopoletano, su'l vero Teatro di Marte, Per la Teorica della Schrimia, All' Altezza, di Don Ferdinando, de Medeci, Gran Duca di Toscana | 1592 | Cesare Pagani | Biblioteca Nazionale di Firenze | (XIX, 194, Magliabecchiana)
This is mentioned by Gelli. It is dated 1592, and Cesare declares himself a relative (possibly a nephew) of Marcantoio Pagano, who published his treatise in 1553. This is a weird one. It is in a good state of conservation, written in a beautifully clear hand and in a mostly not too obtuse Italian. The who thing was quite pricey to scan so I ordered the first 1/3 (which came to over 150 pages) to have a look and never followed up the next 2/3 as it is 99% irrelevant to the practical study of fencing. Instead it is literally stuffed with classical references but also observations about the natural world and sundry other digressions; there are no techniques and only scattered pieces of very general fencing advice. | |
Yes | Libro de las grandezas de la espada(?) | 1616 | Ms Aa298 | Palais Liechtenstein Archiv | http://fechtgeschichte.blogspot.com/2017/04/transkription-der-handschrift-aa-298.html | |
Yes | Nueva ciencia y filosofía de la destreza de las armas | 1625 | Mss/9038 | Luis Pacheco de Narváez | Biblioteca Nacional de Espana | Manuscript of Nueva Ciencia, which wasn't published until 1672. |
No | Compendio y Philosophia y Dztreza de las Armas | 1625 | Octavio Ferrara | Traced by Archibald Corble in the early 20th century to create the MS R4-B274. | ||
No | Abregé de l'exercice des armes[. Necéssaire à la jeunesse de savoir, pour pouvoir se deffendre avec son espée] | 1767 | MS E.1939.65.459 | G. Belfin | RL Scott
Luxembourg (place of manufacture) |
Paper, vellum Manuscript entitled, 'Abrege De L'Exercice Des Armes', by G Belfin. Published Luxembourg, 1767. Subject classification: Fencing - French, 18th century. Bookplate with coat of arms |
No | Traite Des Armes | 1797 | MS E.1939.65.489 | Theophile-Malo Corret de La Tour D'Auvergne | RL Scott | Manuscript by author, 'Traite Des Armes', by Theophile-Malo Corret De La Tour D'Auvergne. Published 1797. Subject classification: Fencing - French, 18th century NB letter inside giving history of this MS, Rouen, 1900 Also typed paragraph about the book |
No | 18th century | Ms. Dresd. 469 | Dominique Quenin, Maitre d'Armes de S.M.I. | SLUB | 84 figures of fencers. Watercolor illustrations. 18th century, quarto, 48 folios. (Probably smallsword, but impossible to tell.) | |
No | 18th century | Ms. Dresd. 491 | SLUB | Jeux d'Epee en figures. ("Game of the Sword, Illustrated.") Painted illustrations. 18th century, 25 folios. |
Morgue
The Manuscript Morgue is for manuscripts that seem to have existed at one time, but for which we currently have no solid information or leads.
M | Title | Year | Signature | Author | Location | Notes |
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No | Die Art und Weise, anzugreifen und zu verteidigen (?) | ca. 1295 | Francesco Giacomo Guglielmo and Filippo Del Serpente | Language and state of existence unknown. | ||
No | 1434 | Filippo di Bartolomeo Dardi | Lost | |||
No | Opera de Scherma | 1532 | Guido Antonio di Luca | Lost | ||
No | “M. Pauls Liechtenawer von Venedig Fechtbuech. Anno 1548 beschriben Worden” | 1548 | Stat III, Nr. 25 (24) | J. Acutt: Die Gründung der Münchener Hofbibliothek durch Albrecht V. and Johann Jakob Fugger (Vol. 28, Issue. 3, 1918, p.418); Prommers Katalog (p. 132). Location unknown
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No | Rast Fechtbuch | ca. 1549 | Antonius Rast | Purchased at auction by Paulus Hector Mair, used to create the Reichstadt Nr. 82 in 1553. | ||
No | 1556 | Johannes Bierchenauwer (?) | 19th century facsimile possibly exists
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No | 1557 | Johannes Liechtenauer et al. | Stadtarchiv Biel | In 1968, there was an exhibition at the Schweizerische Turn- und Sportmuseum in Basel on fencing in art. It included a manuscript from 1557 described as containing the teachings of Liechtenauer, which was contributed by the Stadtarchiv Biel. This manuscript is not listed in any of the fencing manual catalogs, and the description given in the article matches no manuscript that we're aware of.
http://www.zeit.de/1968/50/das-fechten-in-der-kunst When Jens Kleinau pointed this article out, Jurg Gassman and I (but more him) began making inquiries; after several weeks and speaking to every institution that might possibly have information about this (and tracking down one of about ten remaining copies of the exhibition publication), we've found nothing but dead ends. | ||
No | Cabinet d'escrime de l'espee et poingnardt | 1585 | Captain Peloquin | Source for MS KB.73.J.39 |