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Das Verstand Also Wann aine~ von dach vff dich schlöcht So schlach '''[57v]''' den zornhaw° mittder lange~ schnide~ alß er dir gewÿst ist In sinen schlag an sin Schwert mitt der lange~ schnid~ dines schwerts Vnd wind im din ort an von stund an mitt zu° sinem angesicht mitt vermugen daß ist mitt störck Vnnd wirt er dann des gewar / daß ist des orts / vñ verseczt in mitt frÿer versäczung So nÿm es oben ab alß dir dz abnem~en gewÿst <del>is</del> ist worden wenn dir aine~ frÿ verseczt wie du ab solt <del>ne</del> nÿemen Oder holl den schlag sunst vff dz nechst an sine~ schwert alß ich dir daß gewÿsst hab / <del>daz</del> daß gat dir ee zu° dann daß abnem~en Wie er dir verseczt vñ ob der selbig schlag och verseczt würde '''[58r]''' so mach ainen selber von stund an dar vff / ode~ ain ewichs winden mitt aine~ stoß oder schlag
 
  
 
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| <p>Know also, if one cuts against you: that there are only benefits when you use the "Zornort", and you also defend yourself when you use it correctly — as you have learned here — and it is difficult to defend against. When you really want to come against someone, use this against him, whatever he then does, cutting or thrusting against you. He must defend against it, and so you can use the techniques named earlier.</p>
 
| <p>Know also, if one cuts against you: that there are only benefits when you use the "Zornort", and you also defend yourself when you use it correctly — as you have learned here — and it is difficult to defend against. When you really want to come against someone, use this against him, whatever he then does, cutting or thrusting against you. He must defend against it, and so you can use the techniques named earlier.</p>
| <p>Auch wiß öb ainer vff dich schlecht daß du den zornot allain och wol darin magst trÿben / Vnnd du bist och verseczt wenn du den recht trÿbst alß du des vnderricht bist Vnnd ist böß zu° verseczen Wann du aine~ v~bel zu° wöllst So <del>tr</del> trÿb in vff aine~ er mach waß er wöl er schlach ode~ stech vff dich So mu°ß er den versecze~ So kumpstu zu° den vorgemelten stucken ~</p><!--
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Item wann du mitt aine~ fichtest waß aine~ zu° dir schlöcht daß nitt recht gerichts von oben ab vff '''[58v]''' dich kompt daß versecz mitt der krinn Wann die Zedel spricht Wer kru~mp wol verseczt mitt <del>sti</del> strÿtten vil hew° <del>verseczt</del> leczt Das ist so ainer zu° dir schlecht So far im krump daruff vnd so hau~st du daß ee komen / alber <del>arbaÿt</del> arbaÿt / vnnd wind im dine~ ort zu° oder aine~ schlag So muß er dir verseczen So kümpst du aber zu° mer straichen die du denn vff in magst trÿben Veller / oder stoß oder / ewich winde~ oder sunst streÿch / oder überfallen Wann dir aine~ z nider verseczet oder zu° wit fört mitt der versaczung ~~ ~~
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| <p>You shall also use handsome setting-asides against cuts and thrusts — as you have learned this, so that you do not do them bigger than necessary, and so that your point is at all times towards his face, ready for a thrust. And if he from the displacement strikes round to the other side, follow after him and wind, as if you wanted to parry to the other side. Or rather stand and thrust, as you have parried and he must save himself from your thrust, so you should do your techniques.</p>
 
| <p>You shall also use handsome setting-asides against cuts and thrusts — as you have learned this, so that you do not do them bigger than necessary, and so that your point is at all times towards his face, ready for a thrust. And if he from the displacement strikes round to the other side, follow after him and wind, as if you wanted to parry to the other side. Or rather stand and thrust, as you have parried and he must save himself from your thrust, so you should do your techniques.</p>
| <p>Item och solt du hüpschlichen absecze~ '''[59r]''' trÿben vff hew° oder stich alß du deß vnder richt bist Dz du nitt zu° grob dar nach farst Vnnd dz dein ort allmal gege~ sine~ angesicht stee zu° aine~ stoß Vñ ist daß er von dine~ absecze~ schlecht vff die anderen sÿtten So far im nitt nach vñ wind sam <del>v</del> du vff die andern sÿtten wöllest och abseczen Vnnd blÿb vnnd <del>stos</del> stoß so bist du verseczt vnnd so mu°ß er dine~ stoß retten So kumpst du aber zu° dine~ arbaÿt</p>
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| <p>If someone else also knows something about the markverses and uses the Krumphau to displace your techniques, if he winds and thrusts against you; be aware of this and resolutely set aside his thrust or cut, and in the same motion quickly deliver your own thrust or a cut, so that you are always working in order that he must defend himself before you must parry him. And when you have trained yourself in this so that you are skillful and ready for when you displace someone, so that you do not stress yourself against a thrust or cut, you can trouble him and counter that which he does against you, because he must always counter and displace your techniques first.</p>
 
| <p>If someone else also knows something about the markverses and uses the Krumphau to displace your techniques, if he winds and thrusts against you; be aware of this and resolutely set aside his thrust or cut, and in the same motion quickly deliver your own thrust or a cut, so that you are always working in order that he must defend himself before you must parry him. And when you have trained yourself in this so that you are skillful and ready for when you displace someone, so that you do not stress yourself against a thrust or cut, you can trouble him and counter that which he does against you, because he must always counter and displace your techniques first.</p>
| <p>Item morck öb aine~ och etwas der zedel kan vñ dir dine stuck krump verseczt So windt '''[59v]''' er din den stoß och zu° So hab achtu~g daruff vnd secz im sinen stich ode~ schlag seüberlich ab vñ darin scheub im dine~ stoß mitt zu° ode~ aine~ schlag Also daß du allweg arbaitst daß er dir alß schier mu°ß verseczen alß du im Vnd weñ du dich deß übst daß du deß fertig bist weñ du aine~ verseczst / daß du nicht<del>st</del> arbaitst es eÿnen stoß ode~ schlag So magstu den Irr<del>e</del> vñ pricht im daß er fürsich vff dich genom~en hat wann er mu°ß ÿe daz din vor brechen vñ verseczen ~</p>
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Revision as of 02:28, 5 April 2015

Johan Liechtnawers Fechtbuch geschriebenn
MS Dresd.C.487, Sächsische Landesbibliothek
Dresden, Germany

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HagedornLeng
Wierschin4Hils16
Type
Date 1504-1519 (?)
Language(s) Early New High German
Author(s)
Compiler Unknown
Material Paper
Size 126 folia
Format Double-sided, with black and
red ink
Script Bastarda
External data Library catalog entry
Treatise scans

Johan Liechtnawers Fechtbuch geschriebenn ("Johannes Liechtenauer's Written Fencing Book"; MS Dresden C 487) is a German fencing manual believed to have been created between 1504 and 1519.[1] The original currently rests in the holdings of the Sächsische Landesbibliothek in Dresden, Germany. This manuscript is often wrongly attributed to Sigmund Schining ein Ringeck, but although his gloss of Johannes Liechtenauer's Record forms the core of the book, he is referred to in the third person in its introduction and was most likely not responsible for the manuscript itself. The rest of the manuscript consists of an assortment of treatises on a variety of martial topics, by several different masters who stood in the tradition of Johannes Liechtenauer, though unlike more such manuscripts, most of the individual treatises are unattributed.

Dating this manuscript has been problematic in the past. In 1956, Martin Wierschin dated the manuscript to the first half of the 15th century and noted that it might date to as early as the late 14th century, based on the assumption that it was an autograph or archetype prepared for Ringeck himself as a copy of the MS 3227a and that Ringeck was a direct student of Liechtenauer in the mid-late 14th century.[2] In 1985, Hans-Peter Hils postulated a date between 1438 and 1452, based on assumption that the manuscript was dedicated to Albrecht III of Bavaria and the source for the Cod. 44.A.8.[3] While the original text of Ringeck's gloss may still date to that time period, in 2010 Werner J. Hoffmann arrived at the currently-accepted and much later date through watermark analysis.[1][4]

Provenance

The known provenance of the MS Dresden C.487 is:

  • Created in Swabia or Bavaria in the early 1500s.[1]
  • before 1755 – acquired by the Sächsische Landesbibliothek in Dresden, Germany.[5]
  • 1755-present – held by the Sächsische Landesbibliothek.

Contents

1r - 2v
3r - 9v Recital by Johannes Liechtenauer
10v - 48v Gloss of Liechtenauer's Bloßfechten by Sigmund Schining ein Ringeck
49r - 54r Longsword by Sigmund Schining ein Ringeck
54r - 55v Sword and Buckler by Andre Liegniczer
55v - 57r Bloßfechten by Johannes Liechtenauer (fragment)
57r - 59v
66r - 77v
78r - 84v Grappling by Ott Jud (fragment)
84v - 87v
89r - 109r Gloss of Liechtenauer's Kampffechten by Sigmund Schining ein Ringeck
110r - 122v Gloss of Liechtenauer's Roßfechten by Sigmund Schining ein Ringeck

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Images hosted by the Sächsische Landesbibliothek.

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Additional Resources

References

  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 Werner J. Hoffmann. "Mscr.Dresd.C.487. Siegmund am Ringeck, Fechtlehre." Die deutschsprachigen mittelalterlichen Handschriften der Sächsischen Landesbibliothek - Staats- und Universitätsbibliothek (SLUB) Dresden. Vorläufige Beschreibungen. August, 2010. Retrieved 3 April 2015.
  2. Wierschin 12-13.
  3. Hils 54-57.
  4. See also Christian Henry Tobler. "Chicken and Eggs: Which Master Came First?" In Saint George's Name: An Anthology of Medieval German Fighting Arts. Wheaton, IL: Freelance Academy Press, 2010.
  5. Carl August Scheureck. Catalogus manuscriptorum Bibliothecae Electoralis. [manuscript]. Bibl.Arch.I.B, Vol.132. Dresden, Germany: Sächsische Landesbibliothek, 1755. p 59
  6. Or I think its more likely that the word treten here is intended to convey kicking.
  7. This is a tricky word it could mean illegal breaks, unnatural breaks, or opposing breaks.
  8. I assume this means either armoured or armed.

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