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| Possible second copy of [[De Arte Gladiatoria Dimicandi (MS Vitt.Em.1324)]] | | Possible second copy of [[De Arte Gladiatoria Dimicandi (MS Vitt.Em.1324)]] | ||
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+ | | ''Hans Lichtenauers bekannte Fechtkunst'' | ||
+ | | 1515 | ||
+ | | Ms. 2. Cart. Misc. S XVI | ||
+ | | J. Schwerer | ||
+ | | Formerly Ortenburg'sche Bibliothek zu Tambach | ||
+ | | 1842 catalog: [https://books.google.com/books?id=OiiL7U176dgC&pg=PA366&lpg=PA366&dq=%22J.+Schwerer%22+1515&source=bl&ots=Oub38U7ap6&sig=LyHolS3eSjBQa9Bql51DTnSjcdU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiThtTxj7jSAhUm9YMKHWUGAm8Q6AEIIzAB#v=onepage&q=%22J.%20Schwerer%22%201515&f=false] | ||
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+ | Rainer Welle (1993): "An dieser Stelle hätte eigentlich eine bisher der Forschung nicht näher bekannt gewordene Handschrift(?) vorgestellt werden sollen. Es handelt sich hierbei um "Hans Lichtenauers bekannte Fechtkunst. Papier, fol. Hie hebt sich an die Zetl der Ritterlichen kunst des Fechtenns datum augspurgk, den zehenden tag des monatz februarij 1515. J. Schwerer." HILS' nicht weiter nachprüfbaren Angaben zufolge, soll auch in ihr Otts Lehre verzeichnet sein." | ||
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+ | * Footnote: "SCHMIDT, FRANZ: Die Handschriften der gräflich Ortenburg’schen Bibliothek zu Tambach in Oberfranken, in: Serapeum 3(1842)22, S.266. Ortsangabe, genaue Datierung und Namensanführung lassen aber auch darauf schließen, daß es sich hierbei um eine gedruckte Version handeln könnte. | ||
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+ | :"Auf meine erste Anfrage vom 19.01.90 an das Gräflich Ortenburg'sche Archiv erinnerte man sich dieser noch nicht inventarisierten Handschrift und meinte, sie noch zu besitzen. Mit Schreiben vom 24.08.90 teilte der Verwalter des Archivs, Herr Prof. Hausman (Graz) mir mit, "daß diese in der Bibliothek des Grafen zu Ortenburg in Tambach nicht mehr vorhanden ist und durch Verkauf in nicht mehr feststellbaren anderen Besitz gekommen ist."" | ||
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+ | J. Acutt: "The Hauptstaatsachive directed me to the Wildlife Park at Tambach (the old location for the library). Wildpark directed me to Staatsarchivs in Coburg (17th Oct). Coburg mentioned that “Prof. Hausmann, the specialist in all questions about the Ortenburg Archiv, died three years ago” (5th December 2012). The Coburg Archives directed me to the Universitätsbibliothek Regensburg, who told me that it was reported (by Lang) as lost. Location unknown." | ||
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+ | Microfilm scans were discovered in the papers of [[Hans-Peter Hils]] by [[Dierk Hagedorn]] and are currently awaiting publication. | ||
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Revision as of 05:13, 3 November 2022
Items in red have not yet been verified with the holding library.
Contents
Purgatory
Manuscript Purgatory is for works that we have not yet indexed for one reason or another.
M | Title | Year | Signature | Author | Location | Notes |
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No | The Book of Feats of Arms and Chivalry | before 1430 | Lots | Christine de Pisan | BnF, etc. | https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=epXQh7B1w20C
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_de_Pizan http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8448959c http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b6000099t http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b84489727 http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8448955q http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b9058872d http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8449705f http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8451466w En: http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.rbc/rosenwald.0570 De: http://resolver.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/SBB000017D900000000 |
No | De Arte Gladiatoria Dimicandi | ca. 1480s | Philippo di Vadi | Vatican Library | Possible second copy of De Arte Gladiatoria Dimicandi (MS Vitt.Em.1324) | |
No | Hans Lichtenauers bekannte Fechtkunst | 1515 | Ms. 2. Cart. Misc. S XVI | J. Schwerer | Formerly Ortenburg'sche Bibliothek zu Tambach | 1842 catalog: [1]
Rainer Welle (1993): "An dieser Stelle hätte eigentlich eine bisher der Forschung nicht näher bekannt gewordene Handschrift(?) vorgestellt werden sollen. Es handelt sich hierbei um "Hans Lichtenauers bekannte Fechtkunst. Papier, fol. Hie hebt sich an die Zetl der Ritterlichen kunst des Fechtenns datum augspurgk, den zehenden tag des monatz februarij 1515. J. Schwerer." HILS' nicht weiter nachprüfbaren Angaben zufolge, soll auch in ihr Otts Lehre verzeichnet sein."
J. Acutt: "The Hauptstaatsachive directed me to the Wildlife Park at Tambach (the old location for the library). Wildpark directed me to Staatsarchivs in Coburg (17th Oct). Coburg mentioned that “Prof. Hausmann, the specialist in all questions about the Ortenburg Archiv, died three years ago” (5th December 2012). The Coburg Archives directed me to the Universitätsbibliothek Regensburg, who told me that it was reported (by Lang) as lost. Location unknown." Microfilm scans were discovered in the papers of Hans-Peter Hils by Dierk Hagedorn and are currently awaiting publication. |
Yes | Il Disegno Del signor Cesare Pagano, Cavaliere Nopoletano, su'l vero Teatro di Marte, Per la Teorica della Schrimia, All' Altezza, di Don Ferdinando, de Medeci, Gran Duca di Toscana | 1592 | Cesare Pagani | Biblioteca Nazionale di Firenze | (XIX, 194, Magliabecchiana)
This is mentioned by Gelli. It is dated 1592, and Cesare declares himself a relative (possibly a nephew) of Marcantoio Pagano, who published his treatise in 1553. This is a weird one. It is in a good state of conservation, written in a beautifully clear hand and in a mostly not too obtuse Italian. The who thing was quite pricey to scan so I ordered the first 1/3 (which came to over 150 pages) to have a look and never followed up the next 2/3 as it is 99% irrelevant to the practical study of fencing. Instead it is literally stuffed with classical references but also observations about the natural world and sundry other digressions; there are no techniques and only scattered pieces of very general fencing advice. | |
Yes | Libro de las grandezas de la espada(?) | 1616 | Ms Aa298 | Palais Liechtenstein Archiv | http://fechtgeschichte.blogspot.com/2017/04/transkription-der-handschrift-aa-298.html | |
Yes | Nueva ciencia y filosofía de la destreza de las armas | 1625 | Mss/9038 | Luis Pacheco de Narváez | Biblioteca Nacional de Espana | Manuscript of Nueva Ciencia, which wasn't published until 1672. |
No | Compendio y Philosophia y Dztreza de las Armas | 1625 | Octavio Ferrara | Traced by Archibald Corble in the early 20th century to create the MS R4-B274. | ||
Yes | late 1600s | M 1-3-3 | Biblioteca de la Fundación Lazaro Galdiano | While working on a forthcoming publication on Italian and Spanish fencing, the group led by Luca Cecchinato came upon a digitized copy of a rare manuscript held in Madrid in the Biblioteca de la Fundación Lazaro Galdiano. It dates from the end of the 17th century and includes several essays on previously published Destreza works as well as a commentary on the Nueva Ciencia of Pacheco de Narváez. It also contains almost all of the plates not published in the Nueva Ciencia, which have long been sought. This is a very important announcement for everyone interested in primary Destreza sources.
Luca Cecchinato, Manuel Valle, Charles Blair http://bibliotecavirtualmadrid.org/bvmadrid_publicacion/i18n/consulta/registro.cmd?id=3504 | ||
Yes | late 1600s | 49-III-6(1) | Biblioteca da Ajuda | Anonymous work contained in a little known manuscript of the Biblioteca da Ajuda. A vision of the Destreza in Portugal in the XVII century with elements from the Verdadera Destreza and from the ordinary or Vulgar. 64 feridas (techniques) explained with their counter-techniques. Some of them were previously unknown, like the parafusada or the wound of the Duke of Alba. With comments and glosses. Accessible language although basic knowledge of Destreza is necessary.
This seldom known work, which is kept at the Biblioteca da Ajuda as 49 -III- 6, is bound in a book together with the previously unpublished Manuscrito da Espada, also in our catalogue. This is a re-interpretation of Pacheco's posthumous work, Nueva Ciencia. Beyond completing it with missing information, such as the lost engravings not present in the published version of Pacheco's book, the author took an eminently practical approach, didactic in purpose, dividing the book in «Liçoes» (Lessons), each preceded with an illustrative engraving, introducing progressively new concepts, from theoretical geometric elements to steps and footwork, to techniques such as the atalho or the movement of conclusion. This approach makes this book one of the best options when looking for a whole, comprehensive Destreza textbook. | ||
Yes | Heinrich von und zum Velde | 1677 | HDW FAB 1677 | Wallace Collection | http://catalogue.libraries.london.ac.uk/record=b3381279~S15 | |
Yes | 17th or 18th century | Add. Ms. 17533 | H. A. V. | British Library | THREE treatises on the art of Fencing, as taught by Signor Salvator and Signor Moman, by H. A. V.; with illustrations in Indian ink. Paper, XVIIIth cent. Folio.
(Egerton Castle mentions that the source above is in German, based on Salvator Fabris. He says it's 17th century, not 18th.) http://searcharchives.bl.uk/IAMS_VU2:IAMS032-002027779 https://www.woodenswords.com/Proper_Description_of_Thrust_Fencing_with_the_Sing_p/book-pro01.htm | |
No | Abregé de l'exercice des armes[. Necéssaire à la jeunesse de savoir, pour pouvoir se deffendre avec son espée] | 1767 | MS E.1939.65.459 | G. Belfin | RL Scott
Luxembourg (place of manufacture) |
Paper, vellum Manuscript entitled, 'Abrege De L'Exercice Des Armes', by G Belfin. Published Luxembourg, 1767. Subject classification: Fencing - French, 18th century. Bookplate with coat of arms |
No | Traite Des Armes | 1797 | MS E.1939.65.489 | Theophile-Malo Corret de La Tour D'Auvergne | RL Scott | Manuscript by author, 'Traite Des Armes', by Theophile-Malo Corret De La Tour D'Auvergne. Published 1797. Subject classification: Fencing - French, 18th century NB letter inside giving history of this MS, Rouen, 1900 Also typed paragraph about the book |
No | 18th century | Ms. Dresd. 469 | Dominique Quenin, Maitre d'Armes de S.M.I. | SLUB | 84 figures of fencers. Watercolor illustrations. 18th century, quarto, 48 folios. (Probably smallsword, but impossible to tell.) | |
No | 18th century | Ms. Dresd. 491 | SLUB | Jeux d'Epee en figures. ("Game of the Sword, Illustrated.") Painted illustrations. 18th century, 25 folios. |
Morgue
The Manuscript Morgue is for manuscripts that seem to have existed at one time, but for which we currently have no solid information or leads.
M | Title | Year | Signature | Author | Location | Notes |
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No | Die Art und Weise, anzugreifen und zu verteidigen (?) | ca. 1295 | Francesco Giacomo Guglielmo and Filippo Del Serpente | Language and state of existence unknown. | ||
No | 1434 | Filippo di Bartolomeo Dardi | Lost | |||
No | Opera de Scherma | 1532 | Guido Antonio di Luca | Lost | ||
No | “M. Pauls Liechtenawer von Venedig Fechtbuech. Anno 1548 beschriben Worden” | 1548 | Stat III, Nr. 25 (24) | J. Acutt: Die Gründung der Münchener Hofbibliothek durch Albrecht V. and Johann Jakob Fugger (Vol. 28, Issue. 3, 1918, p.418); Prommers Katalog (p. 132). Location unknown
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No | Rast Fechtbuch | ca. 1549 | Antonius Rast | Purchased at auction by Paulus Hector Mair, used to create the Reichstadt Nr. 82 in 1553. | ||
No | 1556 | Johannes Bierchenauwer (?) | 19th century facsimile possibly exists
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No | 1557 | Johannes Liechtenauer et al. | Stadtarchiv Biel | In 1968, there was an exhibition at the Schweizerische Turn- und Sportmuseum in Basel on fencing in art. It included a manuscript from 1557 described as containing the teachings of Liechtenauer, which was contributed by the Stadtarchiv Biel. This manuscript is not listed in any of the fencing manual catalogs, and the description given in the article matches no manuscript that we're aware of.
http://www.zeit.de/1968/50/das-fechten-in-der-kunst When Jens Kleinau pointed this article out, Jurg Gassman and I (but more him) began making inquiries; after several weeks and speaking to every institution that might possibly have information about this (and tracking down one of about ten remaining copies of the exhibition publication), we've found nothing but dead ends. | ||
No | Cabinet d'escrime de l'espee et poingnardt | 1585 | Captain Peloquin | Source for MS KB.73.J.39 |