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! <p>[[Talhoffer Fechtbuch (MS Chart.A.558)|Gotha Version]] (ca. 1448){{edit index|Talhoffer Fechtbuch (MS Chart.A.558)}}<br/>by [[Dierk Hagedorn]]</p>
  
 
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| <p>Firstly we must remark that the entire art of winning depends on the day which belongs to the combatant determined by the name he bears. You must know that almost all the great masters have ordinarily categorised names in two lists: the fist contains the names which are consecrated to the Our Lady, the Virgin Mary; the other to saint George. So that all names belonging to Our lady, in other words that are on her list, are called brothers of Our lady, and those which are found in the group consecrated to saint George, are called by them the brothers of saint George. Also, you should know that all the names which belong to the brothers of Our Lady obtain complete victory three days of each week and Sunday afternoon. Likewise, the brothers of saint George obtain complete victory three days of each week and Sunday morning (before noon).</p>
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| <p>Firstly we must remark that the entire art of winning depends on the day which belongs to the combatant determined by the name he bears.</p>
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<p>You must know that almost all the great masters have ordinarily categorised names in two lists: the fist contains the names which are consecrated to the Our Lady, the Virgin Mary; the other to saint George. So that all names belonging to Our lady, in other words that are on her list, are called brothers of Our lady, and those which are found in the group consecrated to saint George, are called by them the brothers of saint George.</p>
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<p>Also, you should know that all the names which belong to the brothers of Our Lady obtain complete victory three days of each week and Sunday afternoon. Likewise, the brothers of saint George obtain complete victory three days of each week and Sunday morning (before noon).</p>
 
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| <p>'''[13r]''' Das ist des hohen meisters Plato taffel</p>
 
 
 
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| <p>Item nü willt setzen zü dißer figür Platonis das A b c waz man darauß wisßen will von glücke eins menschñ von kawffmanschafft wanderñ stechen Tornÿren auff gewÿen vnd süst waz einer wisßen will / Nym~e den Tawffnamen mit der czale A b c / vnd die czale des tags vnd das alter des / monds vnd teÿl sie mit xxx ab / It~ von dem krancken Nym den tag mit der czale des tags darInn er sich nÿder geleÿt hat vnd auch in dÿ kranckheit gefallen ist :•</p>
 
 
 
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| <p>It~ von Elewten vnd von frewnden welchs ee sterbe So teÿle eins itlichen namen mit vij abe vnd besichs in dem Rade Item vnter den kempffern / vechtern vnd auch fremden lewten welchs ob gesiget / Da teÿle Ire namen mit ix ab It~ von dem lawff der pferde nym~e dy zale des tags darInnen sie laüffen sollen vnd ytlichs pferds varbe vnd teyle sie mit ix ab vnd such '''[13v]''' es in dem Rade an welcher stat du es vindest boß ader gute :~</p>
 
 
 
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iij iij xxij xxiij xxv iij iij vj xv xv xxj xxiij xij xx iiij xxj xxiiij xx xviij vj vj vj
 
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| <p>Item also habt Ir Pÿtagoras P<sup>t</sup>holomeus vnd Plato Taffeln / Nü will ich setzen Aristotiles Taffeln In der mügt Ir vinden Weññ zwen Rechten welchr° ob liegt / Wer ee sterbe vnter frewnden ader Elewten Ob einer<sup> schier </sup>ee sterbe ader genese / lege den tag daran er kranck ist wordden vnd seinen namen in das hernach geschribñ A b c In der Taffeln darnach thu es ab mit ix</p>
 
 
 
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| <p>'''[14r]''' Ist es von vechten ader obe der siche sterbe Ist es aber von frewnden ader Eelewten so thu es abe mit vij vnd suche daññ in der Taffelñ welchs gesÿg ader obe leÿt Ist deññ das der tag an dem der kranck ist worden ob liegt in der Taffelñ so stirbt der sieche / liegt aber des siechñ name dem tage obe / so genyst er an allñ zweiffel Dar nach wisßt eüch zü richten</p>
 
 
 
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| <p>Item wenn es süst deññ von heyraten ist Ader von vechten So sult Ir den tag dar zü zü ytzlichem namen legen vnd den ab thün als ich eüch geleret hab Ich will auch den tag vnd Ir czale in die hernach geschribñ figur setzen da das A b c Innen stet der vergesßet nicht •:~:~</p>
 
 
 
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| <p>'''[14v]''' Das ist des hohen lerers Taffeln Aristotilÿ</p>
 
 
 
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iij iij xxij xxiiij xxv iij vij vj xx xv xij xxiij xv viij xiij xij xiij ix viij v iij iij iiij
 
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Latest revision as of 23:41, 18 December 2022

Johannes Hartlieb
Born ca. 1410
Ludwigsburg
Died 18 May 1468
Spouse(s) Sibilla Bernauer
Occupation Physician
Education Doctor
Alma mater University of Padua
Notable work(s) Ueber die Erhaltung des Sieges
Manuscript(s)

Johannes Hartlieb (ca. 1410 - 18 May 1468) was a German physician, poet, and author, probably of a family from Neuburg an der Donau. By 1436 he was serving as parish priest of St. Moritz in Ingolstadt, but was removed in 1437 by Louis VII of Bavaria for neglecting his duties (he seems to have been in Vienna at the time). In 1439, Hartlieb received a doctorate in medicine from the University of Padua, and in 1440 he entered the service of Albert III of Bavaria. He would go on to serve Albert's son Sigismund as well (beginning in 1456). In 1444, he married Sibilla, daughter of Agnes Bernauer and (allegedly) Albert III, and ultimately they had three children together.

Hartlieb was an acquaintance of German fencing master Hans Talhoffer, and in February 1436 wrote him a letter suggesting a solution to the Villenbach case that Talhoffer had become enmeshed in.[1] Talhoffer went on to include a copy of Hartlieb's 1436 treatise Ueber die Erhaltung des Sieges ("On the Preservation of Victory"), which covered techniques of onomancy (divinations based on a subjects name) that could be used to determine the winner in a fight, in his own personal manuscript of 1448 (MS Chart.A.558).

Hartlieb also wrote a number of other treatises in his life on herbalism and various esoteric subjects, and seems especially to have had a fascination with magic. Early in his life this had a more positive cast, while his later works approach the subject with a more religious disapproval. As none of these texts are related to any extant fencing manuals, they will not be discussed here.

Treatise

Additional Resources

References

  1. Jens P. Kleinau. "1434 Hans Kuchler and Johannes Hartlieb". Hans Talhoffer ~ A Historical Martial Arts blog by Jens P. Kleinau. Retrieved 23 May 2015.