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! <p>[[Talhoffer Fechtbuch (2º Col.MS.Philos.61)|Göttingen Version]] (1600s){{edit index|Talhoffer Fechtbuch (2º Col.MS.Philos.61)}}<br/></p> | ! <p>[[Talhoffer Fechtbuch (2º Col.MS.Philos.61)|Göttingen Version]] (1600s){{edit index|Talhoffer Fechtbuch (2º Col.MS.Philos.61)}}<br/></p> | ||
! <p>[[Talhoffer Sammelhandschrift (2º MS iurid. 29)|Kassel Version]] (1600s){{edit index|Talhoffer Sammelhandschrift (2º MS iurid. 29)}}<br/></p> | ! <p>[[Talhoffer Sammelhandschrift (2º MS iurid. 29)|Kassel Version]] (1600s){{edit index|Talhoffer Sammelhandschrift (2º MS iurid. 29)}}<br/></p> | ||
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! <p>[[Talhoffer Fechtbuch (Cod.icon.395)|Munich Version]] (ca.1820){{edit index|Talhoffer Fechtbuch (Cod.icon.395)}}<br/></p> | ! <p>[[Talhoffer Fechtbuch (Cod.icon.395)|Munich Version]] (ca.1820){{edit index|Talhoffer Fechtbuch (Cod.icon.395)}}<br/></p> | ||
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! <p>[[Talhoffer Fechtbuch (2º Col.MS.Philos.61)|Göttingen Version]] (1600s){{edit index|Talhoffer Fechtbuch (2º Col.MS.Philos.61)}}<br/></p> | ! <p>[[Talhoffer Fechtbuch (2º Col.MS.Philos.61)|Göttingen Version]] (1600s){{edit index|Talhoffer Fechtbuch (2º Col.MS.Philos.61)}}<br/></p> | ||
! <p>[[Talhoffer Sammelhandschrift (2º MS iurid. 29)|Kassel Version]] (1600s){{edit index|Talhoffer Sammelhandschrift (2º MS iurid. 29)}}<br/></p> | ! <p>[[Talhoffer Sammelhandschrift (2º MS iurid. 29)|Kassel Version]] (1600s){{edit index|Talhoffer Sammelhandschrift (2º MS iurid. 29)}}<br/></p> | ||
| + | ! <p>[[Talhoffer Fechtbuch (Cod.icon.395)|Munich Version]] (ca.1820){{edit index|Talhoffer Fechtbuch (Cod.icon.395)}}<br/></p> | ||
! <p>[[Talhoffer Fechtbuch (Cod.Guelf.125.16.Extrav.)|Wolfenbüttel Version]] (1600s){{edit index|Talhoffer Fechtbuch (Cod.Guelf.125.16.Extrav.)}}<br/>by [[Dierk Hagedorn]]</p> | ! <p>[[Talhoffer Fechtbuch (Cod.Guelf.125.16.Extrav.)|Wolfenbüttel Version]] (1600s){{edit index|Talhoffer Fechtbuch (Cod.Guelf.125.16.Extrav.)}}<br/>by [[Dierk Hagedorn]]</p> | ||
! <p>[[Talhoffer Fechtbuch (MS 014)|Coburg Version]] (1700s){{edit index|Talhoffer Fechtbuch (MS 014)}}<br/>by [[Dierk Hagedorn]]</p> | ! <p>[[Talhoffer Fechtbuch (MS 014)|Coburg Version]] (1700s){{edit index|Talhoffer Fechtbuch (MS 014)}}<br/>by [[Dierk Hagedorn]]</p> | ||
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! <p>[[Talhoffer Sammelhandschrift (2º MS iurid. 29)|Kassel Version]] (1600s){{edit index|Talhoffer Sammelhandschrift (2º MS iurid. 29)}}<br/></p> | ! <p>[[Talhoffer Sammelhandschrift (2º MS iurid. 29)|Kassel Version]] (1600s){{edit index|Talhoffer Sammelhandschrift (2º MS iurid. 29)}}<br/></p> | ||
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! <p>[[Talhoffer Sammelhandschrift (2º MS iurid. 29)|Kassel Version]] (1600s){{edit index|Talhoffer Sammelhandschrift (2º MS iurid. 29)}}<br/></p> | ! <p>[[Talhoffer Sammelhandschrift (2º MS iurid. 29)|Kassel Version]] (1600s){{edit index|Talhoffer Sammelhandschrift (2º MS iurid. 29)}}<br/></p> | ||
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! <p>[[Talhoffer Sammelhandschrift (2º MS iurid. 29)|Kassel Version]] (1600s){{edit index|Talhoffer Sammelhandschrift (2º MS iurid. 29)}}<br/></p> | ! <p>[[Talhoffer Sammelhandschrift (2º MS iurid. 29)|Kassel Version]] (1600s){{edit index|Talhoffer Sammelhandschrift (2º MS iurid. 29)}}<br/></p> | ||
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! <p>[[Talhoffer Fechtbuch (2º Col.MS.Philos.61)|Göttingen Version]] (1600s){{edit index|Talhoffer Fechtbuch (2º Col.MS.Philos.61)}}<br/></p> | ! <p>[[Talhoffer Fechtbuch (2º Col.MS.Philos.61)|Göttingen Version]] (1600s){{edit index|Talhoffer Fechtbuch (2º Col.MS.Philos.61)}}<br/></p> | ||
! <p>[[Talhoffer Sammelhandschrift (2º MS iurid. 29)|Kassel Version]] (1600s){{edit index|Talhoffer Sammelhandschrift (2º MS iurid. 29)}}<br/></p> | ! <p>[[Talhoffer Sammelhandschrift (2º MS iurid. 29)|Kassel Version]] (1600s){{edit index|Talhoffer Sammelhandschrift (2º MS iurid. 29)}}<br/></p> | ||
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! <p>[[Talhoffer Fechtbuch (2º Col.MS.Philos.61)|Göttingen Version]] (1600s){{edit index|Talhoffer Fechtbuch (2º Col.MS.Philos.61)}}<br/></p> | ! <p>[[Talhoffer Fechtbuch (2º Col.MS.Philos.61)|Göttingen Version]] (1600s){{edit index|Talhoffer Fechtbuch (2º Col.MS.Philos.61)}}<br/></p> | ||
! <p>[[Talhoffer Sammelhandschrift (2º MS iurid. 29)|Kassel Version]] (1600s){{edit index|Talhoffer Sammelhandschrift (2º MS iurid. 29)}}<br/></p> | ! <p>[[Talhoffer Sammelhandschrift (2º MS iurid. 29)|Kassel Version]] (1600s){{edit index|Talhoffer Sammelhandschrift (2º MS iurid. 29)}}<br/></p> | ||
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Revision as of 00:53, 25 June 2020
| Personal Edition | |
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| Hans Talhoffer is welcomed as he arrives at a town to do a job (folio 27r). | |
| Author(s) | Hans Talhoffer |
| Illustrated by | Unknown |
| Date | 1448 |
| Genre | |
| Language | Early New High German |
| Archetype(s) | MS Chart.A.558 |
| Manuscript(s) |
2º Col. MS. philos. 61 (late 1600s)
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The archetype of this version of Hans Talhoffer's fencing manual, the MS Chart.A.558, was created in 1448 and used as a personal reference manual for Talhoffer himself.[citation needed] It exists in at least six additional manuscript copies created before 1820 and was published in facsimile by Gustav Hergsell in 1889. Only the grappling portion of this version contains text and will be compiled below; the uncaptioned images may be viewed on the individual manual pages.
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[002r] [In a banner.] Hilff · got · du · ewiges · wort ·· dem · leib ·· hie · der · sel · dort :·: * Amen * [In a more modern hand.] Hilff Gott du Ewiges Wort dem Leibe hie der Seelen dort. |
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[028r] [In a banner] Hilff · got · du · ewiges · wort · dem · leib · hie · · der · selb · dort :·: :Amen·: |
[17r] [In a scroll.] Hilff Gott du Ewiges Wortt, dem Leibe hier, der Seelen dort. [16v] Der Kämpffer thut sein gebet zu Christo daß Er ihn bey stehen und seine unschuld retten wolle. Wessen das Wappen seyn solle, ist unbekandt. |
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[18r] Ritter S. Jörg, nu won mir bey und mach mich aller Sorgen frey. Amen [17v] Weil hier das bildnuß Maria und das ritters S. Jörgen stehet, will ich die Abergläubische händel, Welche die fechtmeister auff beyde nahmen gegründet haben, kürtzlich erzehlen. Meister liechtenauer in seinem Kunst buch deß langen schwerdts Anno 1443. geschrieben, schreibet da von nachfolgendes: Wisset daß die hohen meister alle gemeiniglich die nahmen getheilt haben in 2. theil. den ersten unser frauen nahmen der Jungfer Marien zugehöret, und den andern theil S. Jörgen. Also welcher nahme unser frauen zugehöret, der an ihrem theil stehet, den heissen Sie unser frauen bruder, und welcher an S. Jörgen theil stehet, den heissen sie S. Jörgen bruder. Darauff wisset, alle nahmen die unser frauen brüder sind, haben 3. Tage in einer ytzlichen wochen, gantzen Sygk, und den Sontag nachmittag. So haben S. Jörgen brüder auch 3. Tage in einer ytzlichen wochen gantzen Sygk, und den Suntag vormittage .etc. hiernach folget eine Tabel derienigen nahmen welcher unser frauen brüder, oder S. Jörgen brüder seyn, und wer sich darnach richtet der soll gesichert seyn, daß er nicht gefallen mag. Auff diese Tabel setzt der Autor runde figuren oder zirckel des Pythagorae, Ptolomaei, platonis, Aristotelis und |
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[19r] [No text] [18v] Haly, mit den buchstaben des Alphabets und allerhand zahlen, darinnen man finden solle, wenn zwene rechten, oder ringen, oder stechen, oder was sie thun, welcher obliegen werde, und füllet einige bogen damit an, allein weil es zu nichts dienet, habe ich solches übergehen wollen. Wo zu diese stange oder balcken gebraucht worden, kann aber nicht wissen. Wollen vieleicht die Schrancken da von bauen. |
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[36r] [In a scroll.] Gottes diener wil ich sin, Er hat behüt das leben min. [35v] Hier liegt der ertödtete auff der bahre und der andere dancket Gott das er dem Sieg davongetragen. |
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This is a strike, to come at the man. | [117r] Das ist ain abslahen czw komen an den man |
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This is the slip-through inside of the leg. | [121r] Das ist das durch sliffen In wen dem pain |
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For further information, including transcription and translation notes, see the discussion page.
| Work | Author(s) | Source | License |
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| Images | Forschungsbibliothek Erfurt/Gotha | Forschungsbibliothek Erfurt/Gotha |  |
| Translation (Gotha Version) | Tyrone Artur Budzin | Document circulated online |  |
| Transcription | Dierk Hagedorn | Index:Talhoffer Fechtbuch (MS Chart.A.558) | |
Additional Resources
- Hergsell, Gustav, and Talhoffer, Hans. Livre d'escrime de Talhoffer (codex Gotha) de l'an 1443. Prague: Chez L'Auteur, 1893.
- Hergsell, Gustav, and Talhoffer, Hans. Talhoffers Fechtbuch (Gothaer Codex) aus dem Jahre 1443: gerichtliche und andere Zweikämpfe darstellend. Prague: Selbstverlag, 1889.
