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− | The staff will make a cover, the dagger will strike you in the chest. | + | '''[11]''' <em>In this way I wait with the dagger and with the staff:<br/> |
− | And that which I do with a staff, I could also do with a sword, | + | The staff will make a cover, the dagger will strike you in the chest.<br/> |
− | Although I could find much stronger plays with the sword.</em | + | And that which I do with a staff, I could also do with a sword,<br/> |
+ | Although I could find much stronger plays with the sword.</em> | ||
− | This | + | This Master waits for these two with their spears. The first one wants to throw with the thrust/point from over-hand. And the other one wants to throw from under-hand. The Master who waits with a stave and with a dagger; when one of these ones wants to throw his spear, the Master moves the stick towards the right side that is almost in a ''Tutta di Porto Ferro'' (Full Iron Door), turning his body, not moving the foot or stick from the ground. And the Master remains in guard. And as soon as one of these ones strikes, he strikes back the spear with his stave, and with the dagger in his left hand,<ref>It is in his right in the pics!</ref> if he needs it, and in striking back he passes and injures. And this is his defence, as we will find in these two spearmen after. |
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− | '''[12]''' We were both ready to injure this | + | '''[12]''' We were both ready to injure this Master, but, according to what he said, we could not do anything. Except for if we manage in this way; that is, we turn our spear points backwards, and we will poke with the butt of the spear. And when he strikes back the butt of our spear, we will turn our spears and we will injure him with the other end, with our spear points. And this will do his counter [the counter to his play]. |
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− | I strike that one in the chest with the dagger.</em | + | '''[13]''' <em>In that way that the previous Master has said, |
+ | I strike that one in the chest with the dagger.</em> | ||
− | This is the play of the | + | This is the play of the Master who waits for those two with spears. The Master has in his right hand a dagger, and he keeps a stave straight in front of him in his left hand. He can do the play in this way. And I do it for him in his place. But if this player knew how to do well, he could have avoided the dagger’s point. If he had lifted his hands with the spear, and with the rest of the spear which remains at the rear-end, he had covered under my dagger, which means crossing, it would not have happened to him. And he could have damaged me with his spear, if he knew how to do this counter to me. |
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− | The one I will throw at you and with the other I will cover, coming to the narrow, | + | '''[14]''' <em>I wait here with two sticks and a dagger:<br/> |
− | And quickly I will strike you in the chest with my dagger.</em | + | The one I will throw at you and with the other I will cover, coming to the narrow,<br/> |
+ | And quickly I will strike you in the chest with my dagger.</em> | ||
− | This | + | This Master will do the defence with this stave against spear in this way: When the one with the spear is near enough to strike, the Master, with his right hand, strikes with his stave at the head of the one with the spear. And immediately in striking, goes with the other stick at the spear, and with his dagger injures him in the chest, as it is drawn hereafter.<ref>Wow, this guy has weapons and three arms!</ref> |
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− | I have placed the dagger in your chest without trouble.</em | + | '''[15]''' <em>That which the Master has said, so do I do,<br/> |
+ | I have placed the dagger in your chest without trouble.</em> | ||
− | I do what | + | I do what the Master here before said. If you knew the counter, you would have caused me problems in this way: You could have lifted your hands with your spear under my dagger, and in this way you could have wounded me. Have this, because you did not know what to do! |
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− | '''[16]''' | + | '''[16]''' These are three fellows who want to kill this Master. The first one wants to hit within easy reach, as he holds his lance in the mid of it; the other sets his lance in rest using all of it; the third one wants to throw his lance against him. And the pact is that none of them must strike more that one blow, also they have to strike in turns. |
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Here are three companions who want to strike this Master: the first wants to strike underhand and carries his weapon at the middle of the lance; the other carries his weapon in rest at the full of the lance; the third wants to throw his lance. And they are agreed that none should strike more than one blow per man, and that they should do it one by one. | Here are three companions who want to strike this Master: the first wants to strike underhand and carries his weapon at the middle of the lance; the other carries his weapon in rest at the full of the lance; the third wants to throw his lance. And they are agreed that none should strike more than one blow per man, and that they should do it one by one. | ||
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− | I would await them in this match with spear or with staff; | + | '''[17]''' <em>Even if Rolando and Pulicano were to make me an invitation with lances,<br/> |
− | I will beat their lances and I will strike their heads | + | I would await them in this match with spear or with staff;<br/> |
− | As I depart from this guard.</em> | + | I will beat their lances and I will strike their heads<br/> |
+ | As I depart from this guard.</em> | ||
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+ | They who want shall come, one by one, because I am not running away from here for none of them. Also, I am ready waiting in ''Dente di Cinghiale''. When the lance is set against me, or thrown by the hand, I immediately dodge its course: I step with my right foot out of the path and I pass traverse with the left one striking back the lance that comes to hit me. In this way of a thousand one can not be failed. This technique I do with the ''ghiavarina'', can be done with a stick and a sword. The defence I do against the lances, will be done against sword and staff by the plays coming after me. | ||
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− | From the guard of the Master which is so quick.</em> | + | '''[18]''' <em>I cut you in the head with my spear<br/> |
+ | From the guard of the Master which is so quick.</em> | ||
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+ | This is the play of the Master before, who waits with the ''ghiavarina'' in ''Dente di Cinghiale'' the one coming with the horse; stepping out of path and striking back he enters in this technique, and I hope it is understood, I am going to perform it at his place: I can hit him in the head with cuts and thrusts so fast I move my ''ghiavarina''. | ||
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− | But I have another point that is even sharper.</em> | + | '''[19]''' <em>With the butt I have struck you with my spear,<br/> |
+ | But I have another point that is even sharper.</em> | ||
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+ | Again this is a play of the aforementioned Master who is above in ''Posta di Dente di Cinghiale'', I do what he can do at his place. When he has stricken the lance back, I turn my lance around and so I hit him with the point; because this steel is so well tempered (forged) that it could pierce anything. | ||
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[11] In this way I wait with the dagger and with the staff: This Master waits for these two with their spears. The first one wants to throw with the thrust/point from over-hand. And the other one wants to throw from under-hand. The Master who waits with a stave and with a dagger; when one of these ones wants to throw his spear, the Master moves the stick towards the right side that is almost in a Tutta di Porto Ferro (Full Iron Door), turning his body, not moving the foot or stick from the ground. And the Master remains in guard. And as soon as one of these ones strikes, he strikes back the spear with his stave, and with the dagger in his left hand,[1] if he needs it, and in striking back he passes and injures. And this is his defence, as we will find in these two spearmen after. |
For this play, which is of staff and dagger against a lance, the Scholar awaits him of the lance in the Full Iron Gate, turning his body but not moving his feet from the ground nor his staff toward the right side. And as he of the lance attacks the Scholar with his lance, the Scholar advances his left foot out of the way, beating and voiding the lance. And he steps close to him without delay and with the dagger he can strike him. This play he wants to make without fail. |
[18r-c] Ad aquesto partito si e de bastone, e daga contra lanza lo scolar aspeta quello da la lanza in tuta porta di ferro voltandose la persona, e non movendo gli pie di terra nel bastone inverso parte dritta. E come quello dal lanza tra al scolaro cum sua lanza. Lo scolaro acresce lo pe stancho fora de strada rebatendo, e schivando la lanza. E passa adosso de lui senza tarda, e cum la daga lo po ferire, questo zogo se vole fare a non falire. |
[31r-c] ¶ Questo magistro spetta questi[2] doi cum le lor lanze lo primo vol trar cum la punta sopra man, E l'altro vol trare sotto man. questo si vede. Lu magistro che aspetta cum lo bastone e cum la daga, quando uno di questi gli vol trare cum sua lanza, lo magistro piega lo baston in verso parte dritta zoe quasi in tutta porta di ferro voltando la persona, non amovendo gli pie ne lo baston di terra. E rimane lo magistro in guardia. E come uno di questi tra, ello rebatte la sua lanza cum lo bastone, e cum la daga s'ello bisogna a man stancha, e cum quello rebatter ello passa e fieri. E questa e la sua deffesa come troverete dredo questi doi de lanze. |
[15a-a] In tale forma cum la daga e cum el baston aspeto |
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[12] We were both ready to injure this Master, but, according to what he said, we could not do anything. Except for if we manage in this way; that is, we turn our spear points backwards, and we will poke with the butt of the spear. And when he strikes back the butt of our spear, we will turn our spears and we will injure him with the other end, with our spear points. And this will do his counter [the counter to his play]. |
[31r-d] ¶ Eramo ambi doi disposti de ferire questo magistro ma segondo lo so ditto non poremo far niente. Salvo se noii no l'inganamo per questo modo zoe noi volteremo gli ferri dele lanze di dredo, e traremo cum lo pedale dela lanza. E quando ello rebattera lo pedale dela lanza, noii volteremo nostre lanze, E feriremo lo del'altra parte cum gli ferri dele lanze. E questo fara[!] lo suo contrario. |
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[13] In that way that the previous Master has said, I strike that one in the chest with the dagger. This is the play of the Master who waits for those two with spears. The Master has in his right hand a dagger, and he keeps a stave straight in front of him in his left hand. He can do the play in this way. And I do it for him in his place. But if this player knew how to do well, he could have avoided the dagger’s point. If he had lifted his hands with the spear, and with the rest of the spear which remains at the rear-end, he had covered under my dagger, which means crossing, it would not have happened to him. And he could have damaged me with his spear, if he knew how to do this counter to me. |
[31v-a] ¶ Questo si'e lo zogo del magistro che aspetta quelli doe cum doe lanze. Lo magistro a in la'mane drita una daga, e in la'mancha tene lo'bastone in pe dritto. denanzi defi[!].[4] Ello po fare in questo modo zogo. & io lo fazo per luii in so scambio. Ma se questo zugadore avesse sapiudo ben fare di questa punta de daga se posseva ben schivare, Se ello avesse largado le mane dela lanza, e cum lo avanzo dela lanza che avanza di dredo avesse coverto sotto la mia daga zoe incrosado, questo non gli saria incontrado. E cum sua lanza mi posseva guastare, si tal contrario m'avesse sapudo fare. |
[15a-b] Per quello modo che lo magistro denançi a'deto |
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[14] I wait here with two sticks and a dagger: This Master will do the defence with this stave against spear in this way: When the one with the spear is near enough to strike, the Master, with his right hand, strikes with his stave at the head of the one with the spear. And immediately in striking, goes with the other stick at the spear, and with his dagger injures him in the chest, as it is drawn hereafter.[5] |
[31v-b] ¶ Questo magistro fara deffesa cum questi[6] doi bastoni contra la lanza in questo modo, che quando quello dela lanza gli sara apresso per trare, lo magistro cum la mane dritta tra lo bastone per la testa di quello dela lanza. E subito cum quello trare, va cum l'altro bastone ala coverta dela lanza, e cum sua daga gli fieri in lo petto segondo ch'e depento a qui dredo. |
[15a-c] Cum duii bastoni e una daga aqui t'aspeto |
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[15] That which the Master has said, so do I do, I do what the Master here before said. If you knew the counter, you would have caused me problems in this way: You could have lifted your hands with your spear under my dagger, and in this way you could have wounded me. Have this, because you did not know what to do! |
[31v-c] ¶ Io fazo lo detto del magistro qui denanzi. Si lu contrario avesse sapudo, averissi mi fatto impazo per tal modo. Avere levado le mane cum la tua lanza sotto la mia daga. e per tal modo m'aresti possudo guastare. Habi questo che non sapesti niente fare. |
[15a-d] Aquello che a'dito lo magistro aquello faço |
[8v-a] ¶ Hoc operor factis, quod nunc narrando magister | ||||
[16] These are three fellows who want to kill this Master. The first one wants to hit within easy reach, as he holds his lance in the mid of it; the other sets his lance in rest using all of it; the third one wants to throw his lance against him. And the pact is that none of them must strike more that one blow, also they have to strike in turns. |
Here are three companions who want to strike this Master: the first wants to strike underhand and carries his weapon at the middle of the lance; the other carries his weapon in rest at the full of the lance; the third wants to throw his lance. And they are agreed that none should strike more than one blow per man, and that they should do it one by one. |
[8r-c] Aqui sono tri compagni che volemo ferire aquesto magistro lo primo vole ferire sotto man che porta sua lanza a meza lanza l'altro porta sua lanza a restada a tuta lanza, lo terzo lo vole alanza cum sua lanza E si a de patto che nesuno non debia fare piu de uno colpo per homo, anchora debano fare a uno a uno. |
[46r-a] ¶ Qui sono tre compagni che voleno alçider questo magistro. Lo primo lo vole ferir sotto man che porta sua lanza a meza lanza, L'altro porta sua lança restada a tutta lança, Lo terzo lo vole alanzare cum sua lanza. E si'e de patto che nissuno non debia fare piu d'un colpo per homo, Anchora debano fare a uno a uno. |
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[17] Even if Rolando and Pulicano were to make me an invitation with lances, They who want shall come, one by one, because I am not running away from here for none of them. Also, I am ready waiting in Dente di Cinghiale. When the lance is set against me, or thrown by the hand, I immediately dodge its course: I step with my right foot out of the path and I pass traverse with the left one striking back the lance that comes to hit me. In this way of a thousand one can not be failed. This technique I do with the ghiavarina, can be done with a stick and a sword. The defence I do against the lances, will be done against sword and staff by the plays coming after me. |
Come one by one whoever wants to come, and I will run from no one. Again, I am positioned in the Boar's Tusk to wait, and when the lance will come against me (carried or thrown by hand) immediately I avoid its path, that is, I advance my right foot out of the way and with my left I step on the traverse, beating the lance that comes to strike me such that of a thousand, I couldn't fail to beat even one. This I do with the spear, and with the staff or with the sword I would also do it, and the defense that I make which is against the spear, I could also make against the sword or the staff. I ask that you view the plays that are hereafter. |
[8r-d] Vegna a uno a uno chi vole venire, che per nesun di qui non per partir. Anche in dente de zenghiar sono posto per aspetare, quando la lanza contra me vignira portada overo de man zitada, subito io schivo la strada zoe che io acresco lo pe dritto fuora de strada, e cum lo stancho passo ala traversa rebatendo la lanza che mi vene per ferir. Si che de mille una non poria falir. Aquesto io fazo cum la chiavarina cum bastone cum spada lo faria. E la defesa ch'io Fazo le contra le lanze contra spada contra bastone aquello faria li mie zoghi sono di dredo, guardagli ch'io ven prego. |
[46r-b] ¶ Vegna a uno a uno chi vol venire, che per nessuno di qui non mi son per partire, Anche in dente di cenghiaro son presto per aspettare. Quando la lanza contra me vignira portada overo de mane zitada, subito io schivo la strada zoe che io acresco lo pe dritto fora de strada e cum lo stancho passo ala traversa rebattendo la lanza che mi vene per ferire. Si che de mille[8] una non poria fallire. Questo ch'io façço cum la ghiavarina, cum bastone e cum spada lo faria. E'lla deffesa ch'io fazo contra le lanze, contra spada e contra bastone, quello faria li mie zoghi che sono dredo. |
[34a-b] Si rolando e pulicano cum lanca me fesse invito |
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[18] I cut you in the head with my spear This is the play of the Master before, who waits with the ghiavarina in Dente di Cinghiale the one coming with the horse; stepping out of path and striking back he enters in this technique, and I hope it is understood, I am going to perform it at his place: I can hit him in the head with cuts and thrusts so fast I move my ghiavarina. |
This play belongs to the Master who came before, who awaits him of the horse with his spear in Boar's Tusk. In stepping out of the way and beating as he does, he enters into this play and so that it is understood, I do according to his word and with the edge and the point I could strike him in the head, since I carry my spear with such readiness. |
[8v-a] Aquesto zogo si e delo magistro ch'e denançi che aspetta cum la chiavarina quisti da cavallo in dente de zenghiar. In pasar fora de strada e rebater ch'ello fa ello intra in questo zogo, e perch'ello sia inteso, io lo fazo in suo logo. Che cum taglio e punta lo posso ferir[16] in la testa. Tanto porto la mia chiavarina ben presta. |
[46r-c] ¶ Questo si'e zogho del magistro ch'e denanzi che aspetta cum la ghiavarina quegli da cavallo in dente di çenghiaro in passar fora de strada e rebatter ch'elo fa ello intra in questo zogho. E per che ello sia inteso, io lo fazo in suo logo, che cum taglio e punta lo posso ferire in la testa, Tanto porto La mia ghiavarina ben presta. |
[34a-c] Cum mia ghiavarina te tagio la testa |
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[19] With the butt I have struck you with my spear, Again this is a play of the aforementioned Master who is above in Posta di Dente di Cinghiale, I do what he can do at his place. When he has stricken the lance back, I turn my lance around and so I hit him with the point; because this steel is so well tempered (forged) that it could pierce anything. |
Again is this the play of the aforesaid Master who was previously in the Stance of the Boar. In his stead I do this, which he also could have done: when the lance is beaten, I turn my spear and I strike him with the butt (since it is well-tempered iron). |
[8v-c] Anchora e aquesto zogo dello ditto magistro che denanci in posta de zenghiar in suo scambio io fazo aquesto ch'ello po fare, quando la lanza e rebatuda Io volto mia lanza e si lo fiero cum lo pedale. Che aquesto ferro si e temperado e de tuto azale. |
[46r-d] ¶ Anchora e questo zogho del ditto magistro ch'e denanzi in posta de dente de zenghiaro, in suo scambio io fazo questo ch'ello lo po fare. Quando La lanza e rebattuda, io volto mia lanza, e si lo fiero cum lo pedale, che questo ferro si'e temperado e di tutto azale. |
[34a-d] Cum lo pedalle t'o ferido dela ghiavarina |
- ↑ It is in his right in the pics!
- ↑ Changed from "o" to "i".
- ↑ A tiny note (M, perhaps) may have been removed above “agitando”.
- ↑ Probably meant to be "de si".
- ↑ Wow, this guy has weapons and three arms!
- ↑ Corrected from "e" to "i".
- ↑ Added later: "+ hoc ego".
- ↑ Corrected from "e" to "l".
- ↑ Added later: "nomen properum". Partially obliterated
- ↑ Added later: "nomen properum".
- ↑ Added later: "de fresne".
- ↑ To the right of the first two lines, there appear to be three lines of smudgy pencil (most likely M or F), but nothing specific can be made out.
- ↑ Added later: "matreque?".
- ↑ Added later: "four words that might be latin".
- ↑ There is no enjambment bracket, but grammar and syntax led to enjambment in the translation.
- ↑ "e" changed to "r".
- ↑ Possibly "maestum"
- ↑ Enjambment bracket
- ↑ Added later: "reparer renouvelir".