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! <p>[[Talhoffer Fechtbuch (MS Thott.290.2º)|Copenhagen Version]] (1459)<br/>by [[Jens P. Kleinau]]</p>
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! <p>[[Talhoffer Fechtbuch (MS Thott.290.2º)|Copenhagen Version]] (1459){{edit index|Talhoffer Fechtbuch (MS Thott.290.2º)}}<br/>by [[Jens P. Kleinau]]</p>
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! <p>[[Codex Speyer (MS M.I.29)|Salzburg Version]] (1491)<br/>by [[Dierk Hagedorn]]</p>
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! <p>[[Codex Speyer (MS M.I.29)|Salzburg Version]] (1491){{edit index|Codex Speyer (MS M.I.29)}}<br/>by [[Dierk Hagedorn]]</p>
  
 
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<small>[45]</small></poem>
 
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| <poem>Over-hew is for the thrust
 
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Under-hew simply breaks
 
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Middle-hew into the expanse<ref>open space</ref>
 
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Now look into what this means
 
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In the changing-hew seek the gauche,
 
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Diligently observe according to the displacement
 
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Plunging-hew, therein you wind
 
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If you wish to find the face open
 
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Then, from the parter,
 
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Strike the short edge there
 
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To the bottom, invert the plunge-hew
 
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Therein examine and learn
 
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In the Iron-point,<ref>usually ‘pfort’: port</ref> take watch.
 
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With the point, Drive up.
 
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Delivering<ref>darbringen</ref> into the unicorn another time.
 
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'''''Your roses in the little wheel.'''''
 
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'''''yank the hits, it gives good sense'''''
 
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Squint-hew hits as well
 
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The wing accosts the ears
 
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Wrath-point, the chest to pierce
 
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Shooting over to both sides
 
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The waker will stay
 
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Driving strokes will go
 
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'''''Into the roses in the little wheel'''''
 
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'''''yank the hits, it gives good sense'''''
 
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Crooked-hew to the mouth<ref>maw</ref>
 
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If you have intwined him, do not rest
 
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In the war, so you apply grips
 
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Ox, plow: therein you do not soften
 
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Play<ref>Do not be serious, as in “jocamen, schimf oder scherz, vergnügen, spiel”</ref> with the carving<ref>in weiterer freierer anwendung. a) durch zerren, ziehen in schnelle bewegung versetzen.</ref> point
 
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In the barrier-point<ref>also trap, snare</ref> have a heart
 
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Avert<ref>Turn away, twist, steal away</ref> in the iron-gate.
 
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Perform a failing [upon] a buffalo, if you are agile
 
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Approaching first, racing behind is the snare
 
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Bolting, running-over and the slice
 
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That is a general teaching
 
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Orient yourself thereupon<ref>lit. turn</ref>
 
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Because if the wise perform,
 
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The Art proclaims glories.
 
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If you wish to enjoy the Art,
 
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Then learn the doubled hews
 
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Whoever follows<ref>chases</ref> straight<ref>also simple</ref> hews,
 
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They permit their art little rejoicing
 
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Also [there] are the four guards
 
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That you shall always remember
 
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Do not fall strongly therein
 
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Lest<ref>lit. ‘or’</ref> he clash loudly, sounding over it.
 
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Whenever one wishes to bind-upon
 
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Then wind the short edge into forwards.</poem>
 
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<poem>'''[1r]''' Zorn ort Der brust zu bort
 
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zu baiden siten vber schiessen
 
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Wecker wil stan
 
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tr[e]ib[e]n str{e}ichen wil gan
 
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'''''In Der rosen Im rädlin'''''
 
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'''''zuck Die treffen gi[b]t gu[o]te sinn'''''
 
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Krump how dem mu[e]l zu
 
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Im eyn flechten hab nit ru[o]
 
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Im krieg so machstu griffen
 
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ochß pflug Darinn du nit wyche[n]
 
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Mit dem Reiß ort schertz
 
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Im schra[n]ck ort hab ain hertz
 
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Im ysen [p]ort v[er]wend
 
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ain biffler tu[e] fälen biß[t] behend
 
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E komen nach reissen ist d[er] sitt
 
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Schnellen vber louffen und den schnit
 
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Daz ist ain gemaine lere
 
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Daran Dich kere
 
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Daz tun[<del>d</del>] die wysen
 
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Die kunst kunden brysen
 
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Wiltu Dich kunst fräwen
 
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So lern Die toplirten höwen
 
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wer nach gaut slechten höwen
 
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Der mag sich kunst wenig fröwen
 
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Auch so sind vier leger
 
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Die soltu mercken eben
 
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tu[e] Dar In nit starck vallen
 
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od[er] er laut darüber schallen
 
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wa[s] ma[n] [<del>Dir</del>] anbind[en] will [Dir]
 
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So wind die kurtz schnid für</poem>
 
 
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<p>'''[3r]''' {{red|Ober haülb ist für stich<br/>
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Vnter haulb schlecht bricht<br/>
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Mittel haulb in die weÿtte<br/>
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| {{red|Over-hew is for the thrust<br/>Under-hew simply breaks<br/>Middle-hew into the expanse<ref>open space</ref><br/>Now look into what this means<br/>In the changing-hew seek the gauche, <br/>Diligently observe according to the displacement<br/>Plunging-hew, therein you wind<br/>If you wish to find the face open<br/>Then, from the parter,<br/>Strike the short edge there<br/>To the bottom, invert the plunge-hew<br/>Therein examine and learn<br/>In the Iron-point,<ref>usually ‘pfort’: port</ref> take watch.<br/>With the point, Drive up.<br/>Delivering<ref>darbringen</ref> into the unicorn another time.<br/>'''''Your roses in the little wheel.'''''<br/>'''''yank the hits, it gives good sense'''''<br/>Squint-hew hits as well<br/>The wing accosts the ears}}<br/>Wrath-point, the chest to pierce<br/>Shooting over to both sides<br/>{{red|The waker will stay<br/>Driving strokes will go}}<br/>'''''Into the roses in the little wheel'''''<br/>'''''yank the hits, it gives good sense'''''<br/>Crooked-hew to the mouth<ref>maw</ref><br/>If you have intwined him, do not rest<br/>In the war, so you apply grips<br/>Ox, plow: therein you do not soften<br/>Play<ref>Do not be serious, as in “jocamen, schimf oder scherz, vergnügen, spiel”</ref> with the carving<ref>in weiterer freierer anwendung. a) durch zerren, ziehen in schnelle bewegung versetzen.</ref> point<br/>In the barrier-point<ref>also trap, snare</ref> have a heart<br/>Avert<ref>Turn away, twist, steal away</ref> in the iron-gate.<br/>Perform a failing [upon] a buffalo, if you are agile<br/>{{red|Approaching first, racing behind is the snare<br/>Bolting, running-over and the slice<br/>That is a general teaching<br/>Orient yourself thereupon<ref>lit. turn</ref><br/>Because if the wise perform,<br/>The Art proclaims glories.}}<br/>If you wish to enjoy the Art,<br/>Then learn the doubled hews<br/>Whoever follows<ref>chases</ref> straight<ref>also simple</ref> hews,<br/>They permit their art little rejoicing<br/>Also [there] are the four guards<br/>That you shall always remember<br/>Do not fall strongly therein<br/>Lest<ref>lit. ‘or’</ref> he clash loudly, sounding over it.<br/>Whenever one wishes to bind-upon<br/>Then wind the short edge into forwards.
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Im wechsell haülb süch die geüche<br/>
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Noch der versatzüng spee<br/>
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Stürtz haülb dar in dü winde~<br/>
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Wiltü Im dz antlütz ploß finden<br/>
 
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So aüß dem scheittler<br/>
 
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Schlag die kurtz schnid dar<br/>
 
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Im vnter stürtz haülb verkere<br/>
 
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Dar In sich vnd lere<br/>
 
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Im ÿssen ort nÿm war<br/>
 
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Mit dem ort vff far<br/>
 
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Bringst auch moll Ins einhorn dar<br/>
 
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'''''Din rosen Im redlin'''''<br/>
 
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'''''Zück die treffen gen gute~ sin'''''<br/>
 
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Schilt haulb mit trifft<br/>
 
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Flÿgell oren gift<br/>
 
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Wecker will ston<br/>
 
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Triben strichen wil gañ<br/>
 
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E komen noch reissen ist der sytt<br/>
 
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Schnellen vberlouff vnd die schnidtt<br/>
 
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Daß ist ein gemeÿne lere<br/>
 
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Dar an dich kere<br/>
 
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Daß thüntt wÿssen<br/>
 
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Revision as of 19:55, 3 June 2019

Anonymous 15th century poem
Author(s) Unknown
Ascribed to
Date mid 1400s (?)
Genre Fencing manual
Language Early New High German
Archetype(s) Hypothetical
Manuscript(s)
First Printed
English Edition 		Hull, 2008
Concordance by Michael Chidester
Translations

This anonymous poem appears in fragmentary form in both Hans Talhoffer's personal fencing manual of 1459[1] and Hans von Speyer's 1491 anthology.[2] It shares concepts and terminology with the writings of Martin Syber and follows his New Zettel ("New Record") in Speyer's work,[3] but is absent from other presentations of his work. Its presence in Talhoffer's writings over thirty years earlier would also suggest that Syber is not the original author (or potentially that his career was much earlier than currently thought).

It is worth mentioning that the justification for considering the two poems to be parts of the same greater work is not as strong as we might wish. Out of 30 lines in the Copenhagen version and 27 in the Salzburg, only ten are common to both poems. This is a much smaller degree of overlap than we generally see in different renditions of the same work, though it is still substantial enough to reasonably conclude that the two are related in some way.

Treatise

The couplet in bold text appears out of sequence between the two versions. Its proper location cannot be determined from available information.

Additional Resources

  • Hull, Jeffrey. "The Longsword Fight Lore of Mertin Siber." Masters of Medieval and Renaissance Martial Arts. Ed. Jeffrey Hull. Boulder, CO: Paladin Press, 2008. ISBN 978-1-58160-668-3

References

  1. ↑ Talhoffer, Hans. Untitled [manuscript]. MS Thott.290.2º. Copenhagen, Denmark: Det Kongelige Bibliotek, 1459.
  2. ↑ Liechtenauer, Johannes, et al. Untitled [manuscript]. MS M.I.29. Comp. Hans von Speyer. Salzburg, Austria: Universitätsbibliothek Salzburg, 1491.
  3. ↑ Hull, Jeffrey. "Mertin Siber’s Longsword Fight-Lore of 1491 AD: a thesis on the Fechtlehre from Handschrift M I 29 (Codex Speyer) at the University of Salzburg in Austria". The Association for Renaissance Martial Arts, 2005. Retrieved 30 November 2010.
  4. ↑ open space
  5. ↑ usually ‘pfort’: port
  6. ↑ darbringen
  7. ↑ maw
  8. ↑ Do not be serious, as in “jocamen, schimf oder scherz, vergnügen, spiel”
  9. ↑ in weiterer freierer anwendung. a) durch zerren, ziehen in schnelle bewegung versetzen.
  10. ↑ also trap, snare
  11. ↑ Turn away, twist, steal away
  12. ↑ lit. turn
  13. ↑ chases
  14. ↑ also simple
  15. ↑ lit. ‘or’
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