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| '''Second book of fencing of Sieur Desbordes'''
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| <p>'''Second book of fencing of Sieur Desbordes'''</p>
  
''Chapter 1''
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<p>''Chapter 1''</p>
  
Having promised to talk about the sword and the dagger as the main weapons of the Cavaliers, I want to carry out my promise, and all of it in order. But because in the first book I have shown those which are the principal guards, of which I kept the figures, I shall not make more repetition contenting myself with what I have written above. I will show how one must be with the body, and the hand, with the dagger, and the difference with the other guards, as one can see in the following teachings.
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<p>Having promised to talk about the sword and the dagger as the main weapons of the Cavaliers, I want to carry out my promise, and all of it in order. But because in the first book I have shown those which are the principal guards, of which I kept the figures, I shall not make more repetition contenting myself with what I have written above. I will show how one must be with the body, and the hand, with the dagger, and the difference with the other guards, as one can see in the following teachings.</p>
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I want to address at the beginning the premiere guard according to the started order. Here is why if you are in premiere, you will put your enemy in great terror seeing that he will not have the assurance of striking you, [and] seeing you so readily in the position to strike him to his face.
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<p>I want to address at the beginning the premiere guard according to the started order. Here is why if you are in premiere, you will put your enemy in great terror seeing that he will not have the assurance of striking you, [and] seeing you so readily in the position to strike him to his face.
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If by chance he resolutely came to bring you a thrust under the hand: rather than parry with the dagger, parry with the sword and, helping with the dagger, suddenly strike him where he uncovered himself, because in this way he will be able to make a feint on the dagger or other premeditated place.
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| <p>If by chance he resolutely came to bring you a thrust under the hand: rather than parry with the dagger, parry with the sword and, helping with the dagger, suddenly strike him where he uncovered himself, because in this way he will be able to make a feint on the dagger or other premeditated place.</p>
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While you parry with your sword, your enemy will be able to enter from the outside with the left foot, covering your sword with his dagger, and might thus have the convenience of hitting you, but if you have the intelligence of that art, when your enemy passes with his left foot, void with the body, and lift up the arm in the
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| <p>While you parry with your sword, your enemy will be able to enter from the outside with the left foot, covering your sword with his dagger, and might thus have the convenience of hitting you, but if you have the intelligence of that art, when your enemy passes with his left foot, void with the body, and lift up the arm in the premiere guard, and you will have the upper hand, [both] for the force and for the guard.</p>
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<p>To firstly assault with a seconde, I want you to attack your enemy in seconde so that he strikes you, and in striking, you parry with the dagger and strike him in the head.</p>
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| <p>To demonstrate the defence that can be made by your enemy to your fencing, if you go to strike resolutely as I have said, your enemy can strike you with a premiere in the stomach, or a cut on the head from the right side, or with a revers, but doing as I said, you will be victorious over them, although he is in premier. You will be able to strike him with a false edge to the hand, to provoke him to make a riposte with the point or the edge, or still with a false to the hand, he could turn his hand and void with the body, hitting you with a quarte in the stomach. Or removing the hand and the sword he might go with the weapons together above yours, that is to say with both the sword and the dagger, and may do other further blows. Still attacking with the sword and dagger, you can feint a maindroit to the face of your enemy so that he parries, and by parrying you gain with the dagger, hitting him with the point or the edge as the occasion presents itself. Many other blows and other feints can be made and taught, but I want to talk about all of them after the other two guards. I will leave for the present this seconde having spoken quite enough.</p>
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To firstly assault with a seconde, I want you to attack your enemy in seconde so that he strikes you, and in striking, you parry with the dagger and strike him in the head.
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To demonstrate the defence that can be made by your enemy to your fencing, if you go to strike resolutely as I have said, your enemy can strike you with a premiere in the stomach, or a cut on the head from the right side, or with a revers, but doing as I said, you will be victorious over them, although he is in premier. You will be able to strike him with a false edge to the hand, to provoke him to make a riposte with the point or the edge, or still with a false to the hand, he could turn his hand and void with the body, hitting you with a quarte in the stomach. Or removing the hand and the sword he might go with the weapons together above yours, that is to say with both the sword and the dagger, and may do other further blows.  
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<p>The tierce guard is suitable to all occasions, as can be known through experience. That is why being in tierce and wanting to attack your enemy in a narrow tierce, you must pretend to want to take his sword with your dagger, forcing him to withdraw, and that in the retreat you use the presented opportunity to hit him in the stomach or else go with your sword to cover his from the outside so that he moves it, and that by moving it he gives you the convenience to hit him. Again you can carry it over his dagger to make him parry it, and during that you prepare yourself to strike him in the stomach.</p>
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| Still attacking with the sword and dagger, you can feint a maindroit to the face of your enemy so that he parries, and by parrying you gain with the dagger, hitting him with the point or the edge as the occasion presents itself. Many other blows and other feints can be made and taught, but I want to talk about all of them after the other two guards. I will leave for the present this seconde having spoken quite enough.
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<p>The quarte and last of the four, [is] our principal guard, the best, and most convenient for striking and for parrying. Being in quarte to attack your enemy first, you go to find to the outside in the cross so that you constrain him to caver his sword with a low quarte, then you will lower your dagger from quarte, going to seconde, and from this guard strike him to the most convenient and most useful; although you can make a feint from the outside and to strike to his right side, and then strike him with a quarte to the stomach: but such feints puts the man in danger of being wounded in the same tempo that he puts them in practice. This is why I have little respect [of such feints], unless to respond to your opponent's feints.</p>
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The tierce guard is suitable to all occasions, as can be known through experience. That is why being in tierce and wanting to attack your enemy in a narrow tierce, you must pretend to want to take his sword with your dagger, forcing him to withdraw, and that in the retreat you use the presented opportunity to hit him in the stomach
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<p>Having brought to light the four main guards, I will show other bottes dependent on each other, which everyone may give according to their inclination, since all the blows and all the guards may succeed in each, in all the opportunities that may arise. Here is why when you see your enemy advancing his dagger, and holding his sword short and withdrawn, you can make many blows, but I want to teach you in my judgement the four most necessary bottes.</p>
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| <p>The second blow you can do is that you pretend to go resolutely on his dagger; in parrying you lower the point, and present the sword to the stomach, hitting him with a tierce. After withdrawing the step, you will strike him another thrust subject to him wishing to follow you.</p>
The quarte and last of the four, [is] our principal guard, the best, and most convenient for striking and for parrying. Being in quarte to attack your enemy first, you go to find to the outside in the cross so that you constrain him to caver his sword with a low quarte, then you will lower your dagger from quarte, going to seconde, and from this guard strike him to the most convenient and most useful; although you can make a feint from the outside and to strike to his right side, and then strike him
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Having brought to light the four main guards, I will show other bottes dependent on each other, which everyone may give according to their inclination, since all the blows and all the guards may succeed in each, in all the opportunities that may arise. Here is why when you see your enemy advancing his dagger, and holding his sword short and withdrawn, you can make many blows, but I want to teach you in my judgement the four most necessary bottes.
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| <p>It suffices to have spoken about these four guards; I want to address several other sorts of guards.</p>
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The second blow you can do is that you pretend to go resolutely on his dagger; in parrying you lower the point, and present the sword to the stomach, hitting him with a tierce. After withdrawing the step, you will strike him another thrust subject to him wishing to follow you.
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For the tierce strike, pretend to strike him a thrust to the stomach to the end that he passes with the dagger, after putting his sword on his dagger, you will strike him, but this blow is made in uncovering his stomach because the
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You will be able for the quarte strike to pretend to strike your enemy on his dagger, and suddenly raising your sword [along] with the tip of your dagger, strike him with a quarte in the stomach, being defended and well covered [if] offended by your enemy's sword.
 
 
 
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If your enemy remains in a low tierce joined with the dagger, so that he cannot be struck, and you want to attack him, go to the outside of his right side with your dagger and cover his sword, so that he is forced to withdraw, and as he withdraws in the same tempo, it is necessary to strike with a quarte to the stomach.
 
 
 
This guard also may be assailed by other means: in beating his sword from within, you will pretend to strike him above with the dagger, so that parrying he shows the stomach, and in the same tempo you may strike him.
 
  
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<p>Being in tierce and your enemy in premiere, I want you to carry your tierce to his right side, without hitting him, so that he has the means to parry, then you lift your sword over the point of his dagger, and going in premiere, hit him over the dagger.</p>
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Being in tierce and your enemy in premiere, I want you to carry your tierce to his right side, without hitting him, so that he has the means to parry, then you lift your sword over the point of his dagger, and going in premiere, hit him over the dagger.
 
  
I can even teach you to cover his sword from within so that he removes it, and suddenly carry him a thrust to the stomach with a quarte. Furthermore, one can assault this premiere by another way, namely making a feint from the outside of his dagger so that he parries, and then you will strike him between the sword and the dagger, a thrust along the edge of the sword, turning the body like to that quarte of which I have written above.
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There are many kinds of feints with the dagger, and in particular the principals to feint from below to strike above; from above to below; to feint to the outside and striking between the two weapons to the inside, and striking resolutely with the sword to your enemy so that he makes a riposte, and then you can parry with the dagger, striking him in the same tempo; strike him with a thrust, so that he parries, and during this you will strike him a maindroit to the head, or with a revers, or other blows as the tempo helps you find out.
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<p>Having clearly seen the feints which can be made with the dagger, I want to give the method to avoid them. First, consider in which guard and in what posture your enemy puts themselves: if it is in premiere, point to the ground in awaiting his blow, if he strikes, parry with your sword from within, and pass with the left foot, with your dagger on his sword, by this way you will reduce him until you will strike him at will, and with this guard you will be able to still use it against the seconde. To defend yourself from the tierce of your enemy: against this tierce you place yourself in premiere, parry first, by lowering the point of his sword into the ground, because by sliding your sword against his, he will push it from the left side. Then you cover with your dagger, and you will remain the victor, and you will still be able to use the same against a quarte.</p>
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Having clearly seen the feints which can be made with the dagger, I want to give the method to avoid them. First, consider in which guard and in what posture your enemy puts themselves: if it is in premiere,
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<p>Having spoken hitherto quite fittingly of the guards of the right foot, being much assured in this posture, I want to henceforth teach the guards of the left foot, which are specific to the brave men. Here is why staying on the left foot, and being assailed with a point under the hand, parry from the outside with your sword, you will strike your opponent with this seconde cited above. If your enemy carries a thrust to you under the hand, parry with the dagger in passing with the right foot in front of his right side, giving him the riposte.</p>
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| in this posture, I want to henceforth teach the guards of the left foot, which are specific to the brave men. Here is why staying on the left foot, and being assailed with a point under the hand, parry from the outside with your sword, you will strike your opponent with this seconde cited above. If your enemy carries a thrust to you under the hand, parry with the dagger in passing with the right foot in front of his right side, giving him the riposte.
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Your enemy wanting to strike you with a cut; while he raises his blow go resolutely to strike him in the stomach, by turning the hand in quarte.
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<p>Fencing with the sword and the cape or mantle is very prompt and necessary to the man in all places since it is a custom to all and by all to wear a sword and mantle. For the first instruction of this fencing, it is expedient to know when it comes to such a fight as how one can hit his enemy.</p>
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Similarly, if you want to attack from the left foot, you must advance the left foot until you come to your enemy's sword with your dagger, and when your opponent moves in the same tempo as you enter, and beat him in the stomach with a thrust, being still on your left foot, and you feint to strike
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Fencing with the sword and the cape or mantle is very prompt and necessary to the man in all places since it is a custom to all and by all to wear a sword and mantle. For the first instruction of this fencing, it is expedient to know when it comes to such a fight as how one can hit his enemy.
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Firstly if your enemy is approaching and strikes you with the point or the edge, you will parry in this way.
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But if he strikes you a revers, you will parry with a seconde, accompanying your sword with the mantle you will immediately strike him a thrust in the stomach.
 
  
If you want to assault with the sword and the mantle, carry a thrust to him under the hand, and thus you can force your enemy to parry by necessity, and as he will parry from inside you will lower the point, and will strike him a cut. With this blow you will remove his sword as this blow has force; you will even strike him with the point, with a revers or a blow to the head. Another shorter way: you will go to strike a maindroit on the head of your enemy so that he parries, and while he parries, you will pass with the left foot, giving him a jarretière.<ref>Cut to the leg</ref>
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<p>To make a fight with the dagger alone, Man to Man, I will show you here an easy, brief, and useful method. He who wants to choose the weapons, although the duel is between unequal force, and that the strongest comes to seize, with the weakest.</p>
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To make a fight with the dagger alone, Man to Man, I will show you here an easy, brief, and useful method. He who wants to choose the weapons, although the duel is between unequal force, and that the strongest comes to seize, with the weakest.
 
 
 
Firstly, you will put your right foot in front of the left, keeping an eye on the point of your enemy's dagger. You will
 
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To teach you another method, I want you to hold your dagger in premiere, and that you attack your enemy, and as he wants to parry the blow, you will pass under his dagger, giving him a thrust in the stomach. But if you want to wait, you will take care as [to how] your enemy holds his dagger: if he holds it low, coming to hit you with resolution; meet his dagger arm with your right hand at the same tempo which he strikes, holding the flat of the dagger back on the right side, and so you will disarm him.
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Permission is granted to Blaise ANDRE, printer of His Highness, to print or transfer the right to print the Discourse on the Theory and the Practice, and Excellence of Weapons, by the Sieur DESBORDES, with very express prohibition to all Printers and Booksellers, of printing, selling for cash or credit any other copies other than those that would have been printed or made to be printed by the said André, and that the penalties contained more fully to said Privilege. Given at Nancy on the twenty fourth day of October, 1610.
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<p>Permission is granted to Blaise ANDRE, printer of His Highness, to print or transfer the right to print the Discourse on the Theory and the Practice, and Excellence of Weapons, by the Sieur DESBORDES, with very express prohibition to all Printers and Booksellers, of printing, selling for cash or credit any other copies other than those that would have been printed or made to be printed by the said André, and that the penalties contained more fully to said Privilege. Given at Nancy on the twenty fourth day of October, 1610.</p>
  
Signed HENRY
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C. de Girmond
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André des Bordes
Born 1582
Nancy, Lorraine
Died 28 January 1625
Nancy, Lorraine (?)
Spouse(s) Marie Olivier
Occupation Fencing master
Patron Henri II, Duke of Lorraine
Genres Fencing manual
Language Middle French
Notable work(s) Discours de la théorie de la pratique et de l’excellence des armes (1610)
Manuscript(s) MS E.1939.65.435

André des Bordes (Abraham Racinot; 1582-1625) was a 17th century French fencing master. Nothing is known of this master's youth other than the fact that he studied swordsmanship in Italy for many years and achieved some degree of mastery. After returning to his native France, he soon befriended the future duke Henri, and was appointed fencing master to Duke Charles III of Lorraine in 1606. When Henri became duke in 1609, Bordes was named a gentleman, and in August of 1609 he was raised to nobility (with the usual fees waived). Earlier that year in June, he had married Marie Olivier, a woman from a distinguished family in Pont-à-Mousson.

In 1610, Bordes completed a treatise on fencing entitled Discours de la théorie de la pratique et de l’excellence des armes ("Discourse on Theory, Practice, and Excellence at Arms"); it was published in Nancy and dedicated to the Duke. Bordes' treatise seems to largely be an abbreviated French translation of Camillo Palladini's Italian treatise Discorso di Camillo Palladini Bolognese sopra l'arte della scherma come l'arte della scherma è necessaria à chi si diletta d'arme (De Walden Library 14/10).

After this, Bordes' wealth and prestige increased; in 1612 he was appointed captain, warden and tax collector of Boulay, and in 1615, captain and provost of Sierck. In 1617, he joined the duchy's Council of State and gained the title Squire. At some point, Bordes also seems to have served as a foreign ambassador for Lorraine. Events turned against Bordes after the death of Henri II in 1624. His political enemies contrived to have him imprisoned on charges of witchcraft in November of that year, and on 28 January 1625 Bordes confessed to the crime and was executed by strangulation and burned.

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  1. In other words, offer his knowledge and skills.
  2. As in the pictures
  3. Agrippa, Camillo, Treatise on the Science of Arms (Rome, 1553)
  4. In other words, on the inside of that knee which is to the outside. I am indebted to Olivier Dupuis for correcting my original translation, which was ‘near the outside of the knee’, similar to a ‘Bolognese’ guard of coda lunga e stretta.
  5. Manciolino of Bologna
  6. A vertical, downwards cut, equivalent to the Italian fendente
  7. A rising cut with the false edge, possibly similar to the false edge cut described by Dall’Aggochie
  8. A circular cut to the opponent’s right side, equivalent to the Italian moulineto
  9. A ‘garter’ or cut to the leg. Note the term’s spelling varies in this work.
  10. A thrust
  11. Probably a criticism of Agrippa’s recommendation to turn the head away when lunging.
  12. As in strike
  13. Dupuis suggests that Des-Bordes is in fact suggesting the fencer lowers the whole sword as the enemy attempts to thrust underneath, thereby striking with the quillions. This author considers that the lowering of the point may indicate a parry with the false edge, but that would not lend itself to a following thrust under the enemy’s sword.
  14. Cut to the leg