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! <p>{{rating|B|Completed Translation (from the Nuremberg)}}<br/>by [[translator::Thomas Stoeppler]]</p>
 
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! <p>[[Pol Hausbuch (MS 3227a)|Nuremberg Transcription]] (ca. 1389){{edit index|Pol Hausbuch (MS 3227a)}}<br/>by [[Dierk Hagedorn]]</p>
 
! <p>[[Pol Hausbuch (MS 3227a)|Nuremberg Transcription]] (ca. 1389){{edit index|Pol Hausbuch (MS 3227a)}}<br/>by [[Dierk Hagedorn]]</p>
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| <p>[1] {{red|b=1|Here begin the fencing techniques of the other masters: Hanko priest of Doebringen, Andre the Jew, Josts from the neice, Niclas of prussia.}}</p>
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| <poem>If he is a bold man /  
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<poem>If he is a bold man /  
 
 
:Who also likes to dare
 
:Who also likes to dare
 
To learn the art of the sword /  
 
To learn the art of the sword /  
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I will give him three pieces of advice /  
 
I will give him three pieces of advice /  
 
:which he should always adhere to</poem>
 
:which he should always adhere to</poem>
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If he additionally fences according to the teachings /  
 
If he additionally fences according to the teachings /  
 
:he will win even more</poem>
 
:he will win even more</poem>
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And should have run away and lie down /  
 
And should have run away and lie down /  
 
:instead of practicing this foolishness</poem>
 
:instead of practicing this foolishness</poem>
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And so he may stand against all men /  
 
And so he may stand against all men /  
 
:Rightfully against a brave man</poem>
 
:Rightfully against a brave man</poem>
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Free from daringness and overstatement /  
 
Free from daringness and overstatement /  
 
:that he is a real bold man.</poem>
 
:that he is a real bold man.</poem>
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So you may succeed always /  
 
So you may succeed always /  
 
:because a fencer / is a good and righteous man.</poem>
 
:because a fencer / is a good and righteous man.</poem>
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:and with god and rightfully I praise.
 
:and with god and rightfully I praise.
 
[End]</poem>
 
[End]</poem>
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| <p>[2] Here learn and know, that I will not mention many of these master fencing techniques because you can find them before and completely in Liechtenauer's art and fencing, according to real art. However for the sake of practice and school fencing I will briefly and simply describe some techniques and methods of their fencing.</p>
 
| <p>[2] Here learn and know, that I will not mention many of these master fencing techniques because you can find them before and completely in Liechtenauer's art and fencing, according to real art. However for the sake of practice and school fencing I will briefly and simply describe some techniques and methods of their fencing.</p>
 
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| <poem>Here now begins really,  
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:the best of all techniques
 
:the best of all techniques
 
Of the aforementioned masters  
 
Of the aforementioned masters  
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:Thus you strike him down as you wish.
 
:Thus you strike him down as you wish.
 
[End]</poem>
 
[End]</poem>
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| <p>[11] {{red|b=1|If you wish to stride towards your opponent in a elegant manner in school fencing or just for fun, and intend to show off grace,}}</p>
 
| <p>[11] {{red|b=1|If you wish to stride towards your opponent in a elegant manner in school fencing or just for fun, and intend to show off grace,}}</p>
  
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| <p>[12] And better aim for the high openings than the low, and move in over his hilt and remember the already written teaching. First of all so that you gain the Vorschlag and as soon as you do it so do the Nachschlag with moving in. And do these without delay in between just as if you would do them both at the same time if possible and permanently do one after another quickly and bravely, so that if one misses the other hits, so that your adversary does not come to strikes.</p>
 
| <p>[12] And better aim for the high openings than the low, and move in over his hilt and remember the already written teaching. First of all so that you gain the Vorschlag and as soon as you do it so do the Nachschlag with moving in. And do these without delay in between just as if you would do them both at the same time if possible and permanently do one after another quickly and bravely, so that if one misses the other hits, so that your adversary does not come to strikes.</p>
 
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Revision as of 22:09, 7 January 2020

Ettlicher Maistern Gefechte
The Other Fencing Masters
Author(s)
Date late 1300s (?)
Language Middle High German
Manuscript(s)
First Printed
English Edition 		Żabiński, 2008
Concordance by Michael Chidester
Translations

Andres Juden (Andres "the Jew"), Jobs von der Nissen, Nicklass Preußen, and the priest Hans Döbringer are four German fencing masters who stood in the tradition of Johannes Liechtenauer in the 14th or 15th century. None of these men is mentioned by Paulus Kal as being a member of the Fellowship of Liechtenauer with the possible exception of Andres the Jew (which could be a reference to Andre Liegniczer). Attributed to these four masters is an addendum to Liechtenauer's Recital on the long sword which offers advice on fencing and discusses techniques from a position called iron gate (Eisen Pforte). Sigmund ain Ringeck also treated fencing from this guard in his addendum to Liechtenauer's teachings, but there is little technical overlap between the two works.

Treatise

Additional Resources

References

  1. ↑ Word order reversed, the correct order indicated by markings is used here.
  2. ↑ The rest of the line disappears in the binding
  3. ↑ Does not expect your attack
  4. ↑ * the text says "Pfobenzagel" yet the description is that of the Krauthacke.
Early Germanic Traditions
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