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'''Andres Juden''' (Andres "the Jew"), '''Jobs von der Nissen''', '''Nicklass Preußen''', and the priest '''Hans Döbringer''' are four [[nationality::German]] [[fencing master]]s who stood in the tradition of [[Johannes Liechtenauer]] in the 14th or [[century::15th century]]. None of these men is mentioned by [[Paulus Kal]] as being a member of the [[Fellowship of Liechtenauer]] with the possible exception of Andres the Jew (which could be a reference to [[Andre Lignitzer]]). Attributed to these four masters is an addendum to Liechtenauer's [[Recital]] on the [[long sword]] which offers advice on fencing and discusses techniques from a position called [[iron gate]] (''Eisen Pforte''). [[Andre Paurenfeyndt]] also treated fencing from this guard in his treatise (sometimes included as an addendum to the gloss of [[Sigmund ain Ringeck]]), but there is little technical overlap between the two works.
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'''Andres Juden''' (Andres "the Jew"), '''Jobs von der Nissen''', '''Nicklass Preußen''', and the priest '''Hans Döbringer''' are four [[nationality::German]] [[fencing master]]s who stood in the tradition of [[Johannes Liechtenauer]] and were probably active in the late [[century::14th century]]. None of these men is mentioned by [[Paulus Kal]] as being a member of the [[Fellowship of Liechtenauer]] with the possible exception of Andres the Jew (which could be a reference to [[Andre Lignitzer]]). Attributed to these four masters is an addendum to Liechtenauer's [[Recital]] on the [[long sword]] which offers advice on fencing and discusses techniques from a position called [[iron gate]] (''Eisen Pforte''). [[Andre Paurenfeyndt]] also treated fencing from this guard in his treatise (sometimes included as an addendum to the gloss of [[Sigmund ain Ringeck]]), but there is little technical overlap between the two works.
  
 
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| <p>[10] {{red|b=1|The Barrier Guard}}</p>
 
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<p>One technique is called the ''Schrankhut'' (barrier guard) and comes from the point so that you put the point down to the ground to whichever side you want and thus you place yourself to the Absetzen. It may also be don from the gate when someone puts the point down to the ground in front of himself. And now if someone strikes or thrusts you so grab the point of the opponents sword while moving upwards with the Absetzen and strike him low to his feet or above or wherever he may hit him best. And this is also similar to the Krauthacke<ref>* the text says "Pfobenzagel" yet the description is that of the Krauthacke.</ref> if someone strikes permanently up and down and hits wherever he likes.</p>
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<p>One technique is called the ''Schrankhut'' (barrier guard) and comes from the point so that you put the point down to the ground to whichever side you want and thus you place yourself to the Absetzen. It may also be don from the gate when someone puts the point down to the ground in front of himself. And now if someone strikes or thrusts you so grab the point of the opponents sword while moving upwards with the Absetzen and strike him low to his feet or above or wherever he may hit him best. And this is also similar to the Krauthacke<ref>The text says "Pfobenzagel" yet the description is that of the Krauthacke.</ref> if someone strikes permanently up and down and hits wherever he likes.</p>
 
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| class="noline" | <p>[12] And better aim for the high openings than the low, and move in over his hilt and remember the already written teaching. First of all so that you gain the Vorschlag and as soon as you do it so do the Nachschlag with moving in. And do these without delay in between just as if you would do them both at the same time if possible and permanently do one after another quickly and bravely, so that if one misses the other hits, so that your adversary does not come to strikes.</p>
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| <p>[12] And better aim for the high openings than the low, and move in over his hilt and remember the already written teaching. First of all so that you gain the Vorschlag and as soon as you do it so do the Nachschlag with moving in. And do these without delay in between just as if you would do them both at the same time if possible and permanently do one after another quickly and bravely, so that if one misses the other hits, so that your adversary does not come to strikes.</p>
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== Additional Resources ==
 
== Additional Resources ==
  
* Alderson, Keith. “Arts and Crafts of War: ''die Kunst des Schwerts'' in its Manuscript Context”. ''Can The Bones Come to Life? Insights from Reconstruction, Reenactment, and Re-creation'' '''1''': 24-29. Wheaton, IL: [[Freelance Academy Press]], 2014. ISBN 978-1-937439-13-2
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* Burkart, Eric. “The Autograph of an Erudite Martial Artist: A Close Reading of Nuremberg, Germanisches Nationalmuseum, Hs. 3227a”. ''Late Medieval and Early Modern Fight Books. Transmission and Tradition of Martial Arts in Europe'': 451-480. Ed. Daniel Jaquet, et al. Leiden/Boston: Brill, 2016. ISBN 978-9004312418.
 
* [[Ondrej Vodicka|Vodička, Ondřej]]. “Origin of the oldest German Fencing Manual Compilation (GNM Hs. 3227a)”. ''Waffen- und Kostümkunde'' '''61'''(1): 87-108, 2019.
 
* Wallhausen, James. ''Knightly Martial Arts: An Introduction to Medieval Combat Systems''. Self-published, 2010. ISBN 978-1-4457-3736-2
 
* [[Grzegorz Żabiński|Żabiński, Grzegorz]]. “Unarmored Longsword Combat by Master Liechtenauer via Priest Döbringer.” ''Masters of Medieval and Renaissance Martial Arts'': 59-116. Ed. Jeffrey Hull. Boulder, CO: [[Paladin Press]], 2008. ISBN 978-1-58160-668-3
 
  
 
== References ==
 
== References ==
  
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Latest revision as of 20:44, 15 June 2025

Ettlicher Maistern Gefechte
The Other Fencing Masters
Author(s)
Date late 1300s (?)
Language Early New High German
Manuscript(s)
First Printed
English Edition
Żabiński, 2008
Concordance by Michael Chidester
Translations

Andres Juden (Andres "the Jew"), Jobs von der Nissen, Nicklass Preußen, and the priest Hans Döbringer are four German fencing masters who stood in the tradition of Johannes Liechtenauer and were probably active in the late 14th century. None of these men is mentioned by Paulus Kal as being a member of the Fellowship of Liechtenauer with the possible exception of Andres the Jew (which could be a reference to Andre Lignitzer). Attributed to these four masters is an addendum to Liechtenauer's Recital on the long sword which offers advice on fencing and discusses techniques from a position called iron gate (Eisen Pforte). Andre Paurenfeyndt also treated fencing from this guard in his treatise (sometimes included as an addendum to the gloss of Sigmund ain Ringeck), but there is little technical overlap between the two works.

Treatise

Additional Resources

The following is a list of publications containing scans, transcriptions, and translations relevant to this article, as well as published peer-reviewed research.

References

  1. Word order reversed, the correct order indicated by markings is used here.
  2. The rest of the line disappears in the binding
  3. Does not expect your attack
  4. The text says "Pfobenzagel" yet the description is that of the Krauthacke.